An old doubt... priority/ special summon

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Dr Sin

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First of all, I wanna say it's kind a dumb question. But it came to my attention recently, when I caught myself questioning about this...

I activate Premature Burial or Call of the Haunted targeting my Chaos Sorcerer on the grave in my turn (let's say it's MP1). My opponent doesn't "negate" the card (with Royal Decree, Magic Jammer, Dust or Typhoon, just to be more specific) but when CS enters the field he activates BTH. My question is if I still can call priority in this situation and use CS effect before he gets removed by BTH... It's weird beccause until this moment I was so sure I could not (maybe because I've seen judges call it wrong so many times... or right, I don't know anymore).
As I see it, above situation happens like that:

I (TP) activate Call/ Premature targeting CS, starting a chain (link 1).
My opponent doesn't respond.
Call/ Premature resolves, special summoning CS to the field. Since the response window to Pramature is now closed, priority is now with me, TP, right? So, I can activate CS effect as link 1 in this new chain, before my opponent can activate BTH, right?

Man, I am such a noob... But I would like to check it anyway.

Thanks in advance
 
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You are no noob, that is for sure. Only thing to say is that you don't know certain things, but that is no problem.

About your question: I think priority comes to you yes. But have a look at this:
If you select a face-up monster with "Chaos Sorcerer"'s effect, and your opponent chains "Book of Moon" to flip the monster face-down, then "Chaos Sorcerer"'s effect Disappears. But even if "Chaos Sorcerer"'s effect Disappears, its effect was activated so it cannot attack or activate its effect again.
So it appears to be you may select, but that you can't resolve...
 
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There was a long debate on this recently, think in the end it was decided that if the last thing to occur was a summon then you get priority, regardless of whether it was a normal summon or a monster that was summoned via Call of the Haunted.

BenjaminMS said:
You are no noob, that is for sure. Only thing to say is that you don't know certain things, but that is no problem.

About your question: I think priority comes to you yes. But have a look at this:
If you select a face-up monster with "Chaos Sorcerer"'s effect, and your opponent chains "Book of Moon" to flip the monster face-down, then "Chaos Sorcerer"'s effect Disappears. But even if "Chaos Sorcerer"'s effect Disappears, its effect was activated so it cannot attack or activate its effect again.
So it appears to be you may select, but that you can't resolve...
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Basic chaining, last thing on the chain resolves first, hence the Book of Moon resolves before CS's effect can.
 
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Either I've misread something myself or you folks are confused.
Since when does Chaos Sorcerer need to be face up on the field to resolve once activated? This is no different than Tribe Infecting Virus or BLS.

Does Cannon Soldier need to be face up on the field for it's ignition effect to resolve? If so, how can it tribute itself for it's own effect?...or have I misunderstood altogether what I've read above?

If CoTH resolves and bring Chaos Sorcerer to the field successfully, turn player regains priority. If turn player is the one that controls that Chaos Sorcerer then they may activate it's ignition effect, non-turn player may then respond in chain, however, Chaos Sorcerer's effect DOES still resolve regardless of weather it's face up on the field when it resolves or not.
 
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I don't get it.

But to me, this seems like a debate over who gets priority after an effect resolves. See, some people have been saying that the opponent of the controller of the last effect to resolve gets priority to begin a new chain. Yet, at the same time, they say that the controller of a monster when it's summoned retains priority to respond to the summon. You can see that, in a situation in which an effect summons a monster, these two statements conflict. For this reason, I maintain my original statement that the opponent of the controller of the last effect to resolve in a chain does NOT get priority after it resolves, but rather whoever had priority BEFORE the resolution will maintain it AFTERWARDS.

Here's an interesting thought, though, that makes even my statement seem counterintuitive and illogical. Which makes me a hypocrite, by the way.

Let's say it's the opponent's turn, and I activate Call of the Haunted targeting my Strike Ninja. Now when the chain resolves, Ninja is summoned. May I use priority to remove him? Why? It is my opponent's turn. Yet I had priority before the chain, so I should maintain it afterwards, right? This is reinforced by the fact that a monster was summoned, so I as the summoner should retain priority. Yet, somehow, this just doesn't add up. And in the case of Strike Ninja, it could conceivably make a BIG difference in the duel...

<EDIT: BenjaminMS just butted his way in... >
 
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Regardless of which player summoned / special summoned a monster, priority returns to the turn player....as I've said before, I don't make the rules, I just apply them.

In any other case in a chain other than one that ends in a summon, the opponent of the controler of the last effect to resolve (the first on the chain) gains priority.
 
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John Danker said:
Regardless of which player summoned / special summoned a monster, priority returns to the turn player....as I've said before, I don't make the rules, I just apply them.

In any other case in a chain other than one that ends in a summon, the opponent of the controler of the last effect to resolve (the first on the chain) gains priority.
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This would be a time when, as you put it, I'm going to spit on you because I think you made the wrong call...

...alright, I'm kidding. :D I understand that you are only saying what UDE has said to say. Conjugating is cool. Besides, there's no way I can spit all the way to Iowa. :p

Now then. For the sake of giving this post actual meaning, let's operate on the assumptiun that what you've been told is correct. Then, in my example, the turn plyer would get priority to respond to the summon first. But why? For the simple reason that he is the turn player? Because he is the opponent of the last effect to resolve? Because his name is Bob?

I don't question the ruling. I do, however, fail to grasp the Reasoning. Yeah, sometimes you just have to break stuff down for me, I'm a little dense.

<EDIT: Reasoning... hehe>
 
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As before, I didn't say that all the rules made sense, or that they are logical, especially when it comes to game mechanics. You DO remember the phrase, "Because Konami says so!" don't you?
 
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John Danker said:
Either I've misread something myself or you folks are confused.
Since when does Chaos Sorcerer need to be face up on the field to resolve once activated? This is no different than Tribe Infecting Virus or BLS.

Does Cannon Soldier need to be face up on the field for it's ignition effect to resolve? If so, how can it tribute itself for it's own effect?...or have I misunderstood altogether what I've read above?

If CoTH resolves and bring Chaos Sorcerer to the field successfully, turn player regains priority. If turn player is the one that controls that Chaos Sorcerer then they may activate it's ignition effect, non-turn player may then respond in chain, however, Chaos Sorcerer's effect DOES still resolve regardless of weather it's face up on the field when it resolves or not.
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The ruling being cited is what is causing the confusion. Book of Moon is not targeting Chaos Sorcerer (which of course wouldn't make any difference as to whether the effect was unable to resolve) instead Book of Moon is targeting the monster targeted by Chaos Sorcerer for removal from play (which Chaos Sorcerer cannot do if the monster is face-down).

John is giving the currently correct Priority answer. For whatever reason a special summon causes Priority to immediately Shift back to the Turn Player. We'll just have to wait (and wait and wait) and see if anything further comes down on this from Konami some day.
 
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All right... First: Thanks Jason_C, the point that I was trying to clear with this thread is exactly this priority matter.
And I was inclined to believe that after the current chain resolves (in the case, Premature special summoning a monster) priority would return to the turn player. But this contradicts the official rule "the opponent of the controller of the last effect to resolve gets priority to begin a new chain".
I don't like this ruling and I surely don't agree with it. Specially, because in the case of Premature/ Call, opponent had his opportunity to respond, activating Dust, Typhoon, Magic Jammer, Royal Decree and any other legal card. For me, this should go like that:

TP activates Premature, starting a chain. NTP has the opportunity to respond in a kind of response window. Since he doesn't do that, I really don't see a valid point to benefit NTP, giving him a second opportunity to respond without TP had a chance of doing so. It's weird.

Just my thoughts, but just to check: the official answer to this thread is: no, TP cannot activate CS effect in this case, right?...
Thanks for the answers so far.
 
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Just my thoughts, but just to check: the official answer to this thread is: no, TP cannot activate CS effect in this case, right?...
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I believe that the "official answer" is exactly that, but NO ONE likes or agrees with it. And now I need to stop, before I let personal emotions spill into an official answer.
 
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Alright Dr. Sin, let's review the scenario then.

Dr Sin said:
I (TP) activate Call/ Premature targeting CS, starting a chain (link 1).
My opponent doesn't respond.
Call/ Premature resolves, special summoning CS to the field. Since the response window to Pramature is now closed, priority is now with me, TP, right? So, I can activate CS effect as link 1 in this new chain, before my opponent can activate BTH, right?
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In this scenario turn player retains priority and may activate Chaos Sorcerer's effect. Why? The one chink in the priority armor, that being, any chain that ends in a summon gives turn player priority.
 
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Well, if the player wants to attempt to use the ignition effect of Chaos Sorceror, it would have to be their turn that the summoning occurred, wouldn't it?

its only with the CotH +Strike Ninja scenario presented by Jason, in which the summons occurred during the opponent's turn, that the priority would turn away from player that performed the actual summons, and go to the opponent.
 
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