Another Chimeratech: Future Fusion + Cyber Phoenix face-up

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Situation:

- I activate Future Fusion designating Chimeratech Overdragon, sending 15 machines from my deck to the grave.
- In my 2nd stand by phase after FF activation, I have a face-up Cyber Phoenix or (special summon it with Call of the Haunted).
- Now, COD enters the field, immediately triggering its effect.

- Cyber Phoenix text says: "While this card is in face-up Attack Position on your side of the field, negate the effects of any Spell or Trap Card that targets 1 Machine-Type monster on your side of the field." I assume that COD effect will send everything to the grave, including Cyber Phoenix and FF, but as they were sent at the same time, COD would remain on the field, because CP effect would prevent FF to destroy COD, is it right?

Thanks in advance and sorry if this was already answered.
 
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Future Fusion has an effect when it is sent to the Graveyard.

Cyber Phoenix cannot protect machines once removed from the Field.

Chimeratech Overdragon will still be destroyed.

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I'm not too sure about this one. Wouldn't this be more like "Jinzo" with "Heavy Storm" and "Call of the Haunted"?

I would say that "Chimeratech" would survive because at the time "Future Fusion" was removed from the field, it was being negated by the effect of "Cyber Phoenix".
 
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Maybe, but the card that was negating "Future Fusion" is going the the Graveyard at the same time. "Jinzo" stays on the field when "Heavy Storm" destroys "Call of the Haunted"...
 
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Good point. It's being negated as it's destroyed. This means that it's quite possibly true that "Cyber Phoenix" would save "Chimeratech Over Dragon" from "Future Fusion"... Unless Konami rules it otherwise...
 
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Cyber Phenox's effect is a continous effect is it not? Being continous, it is being sent to GY as with FF. Wouldn't FF's effect activate when sent, which is when C.Phenox was sent, and being continous, it can not be active when removed from the field.
Chain:

FF's effect to bring out Chimeratech .

Chimeratech's effect activate's. Resolve. Remove all but Chimeratech

FF's effect would remove Chimeratech. C. Phenox is gone now.
 
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I just had an interesting thought...but before I say something stupid, does Call et al. destroy the monster during the chain link, or between chain links?
 
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Continuous Effects do not stop/start applying mid-link, but after a link resolves. If Chimeratech Overdragon sends both Future Fusion and Cyber Phoenix to the Graveyard at the same time, then Cyber Phoenix effect would be negating Future Fusion at that time.
 
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CPMillerWV said:
Cyber Phenox's effect is a continous effect is it not? Being continous, it is being sent to GY as with FF. Wouldn't FF's effect activate when sent, which is when C.Phenox was sent, and being continous, it can not be active when removed from the field.
Chain:

FF's effect to bring out Chimeratech .

Chimeratech's effect activate's. Resolve. Remove all but Chimeratech

FF's effect would remove Chimeratech. C. Phenox is gone now.
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If "Future Fusion" is a continuous effect, then no. If it's a trigger effect that activates the Graveyard, then yes. I'm pretty sure we're dealing with at Continuous Effect like "Call of the Hautned", so "Cyber Phoenix" should save "Chimeratech Overdragon".
 
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I don't think it activates at all, it just is. Like "Call of the Haunted", you can't chain to the destruction of the monster because it's continuous and doesn't use the chain.
 
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Entropy said:
Just to make sure, Heavy Storm destroying Royal Decree and Call of the Haunted keeps the monster on the field, no?
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Btw...this is the precedent for the answer I gave.

This is the reason "Chimeratech" will live.
 
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Call doesn't activate, but it does "happen". I'm pretty sure that in post #10, Kyhotae meant that it might "happen" when it is off the field (Graveyard or RFG pile, wherever it is sent). But, Jinzo/Royal Decree can negate it, so it "happens" on the field.
 
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Entropy said:
Call doesn't activate, but it does "happen". I'm pretty sure that in post #10, Kyhotae meant that it might "happen" when it is off the field (Graveyard or RFG pile, wherever it is sent). But, Jinzo/Royal Decree can negate it, so it "happens" on the field.
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Why the distinction, though? If both effects apply in the same manner, why would one apply on the field and the other apply off the field?
 
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I'll kindly point everybody back to post #13 and also add this ruling from "Future Fusion"....
UDE FAQ said:
Destroying the monster when "Future Fusion" is removed from the field is an effect that cannot be chained to.
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Hope this helps!
 
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skey23 said:
I'll kindly point everybody back to post #13 and also add this ruling from "Future Fusion"....


Hope this helps!
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Which would mean it applies after the chain link that removes it resolves, and not after the entire chain resolves. So in this scenario it should be being negated when it's removed in tandem with Cyber Phoenix.
 
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