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Mdott said:
First off, priority is not something you declare. It's something you inherently have as the Turn Player. You simply choose to pass or use it, but your opponent has to wait until you decide which your going to do before he can respond.
In this scenario, I presume it was your opponent's Blowback Dragon you equipped Snatch Steal too? I'm also uncertain who your flipping down with Tsukuyomi. Tsukuyomi or Blowback Dragon?
When you summon Tsukuyomi, you retained priority to do four things. 1) Activate Tsukuyomi's effect, 2) activate Blowback Dragon's effect, 3) activate an appropriate Spell Speed 3 effect or 4) pass.
But I'm afraid I don't know who your equipping with Snatch Steal and who you flipped face0down with Tsukuyomi. The answer would be different depending on the circumstances.
Mdott said:
Ah, okay. In this scenario you used priority to use Tsukuyomi's effect. Your opponent can then legally chain to Tsuki's effect with Enemy Controller and target Blowback.
If no more effects are added to this chain, resolve it. Enemy Controller resolves first, taking back Blowback Dragon. Tsukuyomi resolves second, flipping Blowback Dragon back down and Snatch Steal will be destroyed by Game Mechanics. Blowback will remain where he is, with his original owner
Chillout1984
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Digital Jedi said:
So to be sure:
You're saying that at the end of the turn Enemy Controller resolves without effect?
http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=3042#3042
http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=7038#7038
This is the closest I could find to the actual scenario.
"Enemy Controller" will return the monster back to the opponent and it will STAY there.
http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=7038#7038
This is the closest I could find to the actual scenario.
"Enemy Controller" will return the monster back to the opponent and it will STAY there.
masterwoo0
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This sounds like the correct resolution of the effect. The reason the monster returns to the Player who had control by Snatch Steal is because Enemy Controller doesnt care if the card is face-up or face-down when it is resolving the effect. Only that it was face-up when control was established. So it returns the monster back to the opponent and not the original owner.skey23 said:
Now it's time for me to take a perfectly decent discussion and invite chaos and confusion into it.
Furthermore, I don't even think it COULD be Spell Speed 3. Solemn Judgment activates in a different window.
There is no reason why it would have to be Spell Speed 3. Reference Torrential Tribute.
Furthermore, I don't even think it COULD be Spell Speed 3. Solemn Judgment activates in a different window.
Tsukuyomi's effect is mandatory. So keep that in mind as well. However, in the eyes of Priority for the Turn Player, I believe that Digital Jedi was pretty accurate with his post.
So IMO the actual options the Turn Player has are already used up from him summoning Tsukuyomi. A player's priority doesn't allow them to activate multiple cards or effects at the same time, so Blowback Dragon isn't an option to activate. Passing priority isn't an option either because Tsukuyomi's effect isn't Optional. However, since Tsukuyomi has activated, your priority is used up and is passed to your opponent for him/her to chain to the effect with cards like Torrential Tribute, Divine Wrath, Skill Drain, etc.
That's just my take on it. =/
What's wrong with this piece of his post is located when he said, "to do four things." because when you Normal Summon or Flip Summon Tsukuyomi, the effect activates automatically. This is because it's a mandatory effect that must activate and resolve.Digital Jedi said:
So IMO the actual options the Turn Player has are already used up from him summoning Tsukuyomi. A player's priority doesn't allow them to activate multiple cards or effects at the same time, so Blowback Dragon isn't an option to activate. Passing priority isn't an option either because Tsukuyomi's effect isn't Optional. However, since Tsukuyomi has activated, your priority is used up and is passed to your opponent for him/her to chain to the effect with cards like Torrential Tribute, Divine Wrath, Skill Drain, etc.
That's just my take on it. =/
I meant to say Spell Speed 2+ effect. Don't know where that 3 came from. Probably tired. I also forgot Tsukuyomi is a Mandatory Trigger. It thought it was optional.
<Sigh> Wasn't this not the case 6 months ago? I wish they'd make up their mind.
If you take control of your opponent's monster with "Enemy Controller", and then the monster is flipped face-down with "Book of Moon", control of the monster is still returned to the opponent (the original controller) during the End Phase.
<Sigh> Wasn't this not the case 6 months ago? I wish they'd make up their mind.
Why do we always have to say that? I believe that is a confusing statement and I hear it used quite often with Mandatory Triggers. Priority is very much involved in the event a Mandatory Trigger. It's "used up", for lack of an official term. I'm not really sure why Konami or UDE decided that we couldn't use this statement or similar, but I see no reason why it isn't accurate. Priority just doesn't disappear when a Mandatory Trigger is involved. The decision to activate is simply made for you. That seems to be a much clearer way of defining it then to consistently say priority has nothing to do with it. While both outcomes are the same, one explanation makes it seem as if priority just disappears, while the other gives a reason for it's absence.skey23 said:
Priority is the ability of a player to activate an effect. This ability shifts from player to player. Certain circumstances cause a certain player to have priority. After the summon of Tsukuyomi, the summoning player has priority. He may not activate an optional effect because Tsukuyomi's effect, being mandatory, must activate first, before choice is involved. If there were another mandatory turn-player effect triggering at the same time, he could choose which of the two came first. In this instance, he has no choice. Tsukuyomi MUST activate. But just because it must activate does not make it any less of activation itself. The activation is only possible with priority. So yes, priority is involved.