atk, player or monster?

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it appears that there are no rulings on
Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV 6
nor
The Legendary Fisherman <combined with umi>

but if either/both of these are on your field, and the opposing field has
Swords of revealing light

can they or can they not attack?
 
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i see, i was just curious since aparently there was something between
Wildheart vs Threatning Roar
and the ruling apears to have been made that wildheart could not attack, if thats so then i was hoping to find out what the difference is with the example in the first post.
 
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We're still waiting for the full results on that one Magic-Snake. The short term answer is that since Threatening Roar is a normal trap card that leaves a lingering condition on the player, the player cannot declare and attack and Wildheart is left without any direction.

However, I'm still in the boat that this affecting the player issue still applies to continuous spells or spell cards out on the field (consider Swords of Revealing Light or Messenger of Peace and Horus LV 6).

In my mind the ruling about Wildheart would need to apply back to Horus, but we have never gotten word on this. We might not ever either 8^D
 
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it seemed quit logical to put the fisherman, horos and wildheart all in the same catagory under the same rulings.

in the past it was largely prevered to make expceptions and memorize them as aposed to making set rules for types of cards. was hoping that had been fixed by now. but i supose it is something that shouldnt be rushed.
 
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I'm hoping that Konami/UDE prioritize, at the very least, the issues that are most likely to arise in a tournament scene. My feelings are that we've waited for a resolution to the Wildheart/Threatening Roar scenario far too long. Even is they decide arbitrarily that Fisherman and Kay'est don't apply to Wildheart, it would be nice just to get that word before Christmas. :dur_jedi:
 
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Judge List said:
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Sword of Revealing Light

Flip all face-down monsters on your opponent's side of the field face-up. This card remains face-up on the field for 3 of your opponent's turns. While this card is face-up on the field, MONSTERS ON YOUR OPPONENT’S SIDE OF THE FIELD CANNOT DECLARE ATTACKS.



1. Turns out that the original (from LOB) text was closer than the “fixed” (from Yugi Evolution & Dark Beginning) text. Swords stops monsters from attacking, not your opponent. That’s why monsters unaffected by Spell Cards can still attack.
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This is the latest text for "Swords of Revealing Light". As you can see, it affects Monsters, NOT Players. This is the reason monsters unaffected by Spell Cards can still attack.

Hope this helps!
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Digital Jedi said:
it would be nice just to get that word before Christmas. :dur_jedi:
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ok, now your just having unrealistic expectations and you know it:p

im not sure if it falls under changing swords, or clarifying swords, or plain admitting they where wrong about swords.
but any of those just makes me think they are taking the easy way out.<"nothing wrong with the rule..just gotta..edit the card alittle..thats all">
 
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skey23 said:
This is the latest text for "Swords of Revealing Light". As you can see, it affects Monsters, NOT Players. This is the reason monsters unaffected by Spell Cards can still attack.

Hope this helps!
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Hey Simon, I'm not trying to beat a dead horse, I'm really not, but the new Swords text makes things even more confusing for me (shame on me for not checking the errata). If Threatening Roar says the player, and Swords says the monster, then who truly declares the attack? The player, the monter, neither, both? I know it'll help me get a better grasp on things.
 
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The Player declares the attack. The Monster performs the attack.

If a card prevents the Player from making the delcaration, then the Monster can't begin to attack.

If a card prevents the Monster from attacking, that does not prevent the Player from declaring an attack. So in the case of monsters unaffected by Spell Cards, the Player can still declare the attack, and since the monster is unaffected, the attack will continue as normal.

At least that's MY reasoning behind it. It's not official and please don't take it as such.
 
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No, but that makes a HECK OF A LOT OF SENSE!!!! I think that helps me out too with some of the other cards, such as Gravity Bind. The Bind will prevent the monstter from performing the attack.

So as a general concensus, the player must be able to declare an attack with a monster that is legally able to perform an attack. Monsters that have already attacked once are ineligible from performing another attack (exceptions granted) and that also explains why Horus LV6 is able to attack because the player can declare the attack and the monster is able to perform an attack.

Thanks Simon! That rocks!
 
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