Battle searchers and monster's with ? ATK

[jodeman2]

There seems to be a few monster's with ? ATK and/or DEF and I was wondering if those monster's can be searched out by the battle searchers.

For example, I have UFO Turtle on my side of the field, and it gets destroyed as a result of battle, can I search out special summon Gren Maju Da Eiza to the field?

 

[mayo211]

There seems to be a few monster's with ? ATK and/or DEF and I was wondering if those monster's can be searched out by the battle searchers.

For example, I have UFO Turtle on my side of the field, and it gets destroyed as a result of battle, can I search out special summon Gren Maju Da Eiza to the field?

as long as the monster has no special summoning requirements, you should be able to bring them out since technically thier attack at the time of the search is zero

 

[squid]

No, not for the monsters whose base attack is "?". You can't bring them out because the attack cannot be definitely determined upon searching. It could be 1000 or 10000.

 

[anthonyj]

You can't. You may summon Great Maju Garzett with the effect of Mystic Tomato because his attack is 0, but you may not summon Maju Garzett because his attack is unknown (?).

 

[mayo211]

ah! i was wrong. oh well. live and learn...but thats why i like this place...because even when your wrong people don't bite your head off for it. thanks for the correction.

 

[Ultiheart]

Is that really correct? I mean, I'm no expert, but if you use Skill Drain as an example...for the effect of Skill Drain, if you had a monster of ? atk or def, the ? value becomes 0.

I only ask...for the effect of searching, wouldn't the ? be treated as 0? (Once again just confused by contradictory rulings)

 

[densetsu_x]

When monsters have a ? stat on the field and Skill Drain is active, it becomes 0 in that instance. However, in the deck and hand it has no value and cannot be searched for.

 

[masterwoo0]

Skill Drain is the worst card to have show up whenever you have a monster with a "?" attack strength that has been pumped up. The attack goes back to zero, and remains as such, regardless of Skill Drain being destroyed.

 

[Manta]

Not quite true acutally, only monsters with "?" stats because of a one time effect stay at zero when Skill Drain is used.

A card like gren maju des eiza will get back his ATK and DEF values when Skill Drain is removed since it constantly checks the number of cards you have removed from play.

 

[masterwoo0]

Forgot about him ...

But in most cases, the monster is either summoned by the removal of monsters, and/or its attack comes from the removal of monsters, whether its to the Graveyard or Remove from play, and in that instance, Skill Drain would blank them out again.

"?" Monsters that constantly check:

Tyranno Infinity
King of the Skull Servants
Gren Maju Da Eiza



"?" With One time effect:

UFOroid Fighter
Megarock Dragon
Maju Garzett
Gradius' Option

 

[Raijinili]

Gradius' Option's attack power is constantly rechecked too.

 

[masterwoo0]

Guess I gotta move it....

 

[anthonyj]

Although: [Re: Skill Drain] The ATK and DEF of "Gradius' Option", the ATK of "Maju Garzett", and similar monsters is 0 while "Skill Drain" is active, and is not restored even if "Skill Drain" is destroyed.

This ruling doesn't seem to make sense since it is a constantly checking effect (and one which can even choose a new Gradius if it returns after something like IMT).

 

[masterwoo0]

Always trust your feelings... lol

 

[Raijinili]

Although: [Re: Skill Drain] The ATK and DEF of "Gradius' Option", the ATK of "Maju Garzett", and similar monsters is 0 while "Skill Drain" is active, and is not restored even if "Skill Drain" is destroyed.

This ruling doesn't seem to make sense since it is a constantly checking effect (and one which can even choose a new Gradius if it returns after something like IMT).

I never said it couldn't.

Gradius' Option forgets which target it chose, and since it was already on the field...