Blast with Chain equipped to Gearfried The Iron Knight

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carlossilva

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1. If Blast with Chain is equipped to GTIK in the middle of a chain, when is it destroyed by Gearfried's effect? I suppose Gearfried's effect would start a new chain after the first one resolves. Am I right?

2. Let's suppose now that the chain involving BWC occurs in the Damage step. Is BWC destroyed right after the chain resolves ( therefore the effect starting a new chain in the damage step ) or is it destroyed after damage calculation?

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Carlos
 
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1) Correct. BWC will equip to Gearfried and then be destroyed, which will trigger BWC's second effect. However, that effect will not activate until the current chain has fully resolved.

2) Gearfried's effect is continuous. If you activate BWC during damage calculation, it will be immediately be destroyed before you can calculate the 500 ATK boost. Then right after damage calculation has finished to determine which monster(s) are destroyed, BWC's secondary effect will trigger and destroy a card before the "resolve effects" portion occurs.

Hope this helps!
 
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Thank you for your answer. However, I'm still confused about Gearfried's effect being continuous. From the UDE site ruling about Butterfly-Dagger Elma:


When "Butterfly Dagger - Elma" is destroyed by "Gearfried the Iron Knight"'s effect, you can chain to this effect with "Really Eternal Rest" and destroy "Gearfried the Iron Knight", and "Butterfly Dagger - Elma" will be destroyed because "Gearfried the Iron Knight" was destroyed, so "Butterfly Dagger - Elma" cannot return to the owner's hand.

If the effect of destroying an equip card is continuous, how are we supposed to chain to it ? I actually thought it would be a trigger effect ( hence the doubt about whether BWC would still be able to give Gearfried the attack bonus ).

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Carlos
 
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In this case, novastar is wrong.
The 'trigger' of Spirit Reaper is when he is targeted by a card effect. (Also, the 2nd trigger is when he attacks directly. But that doesn't happen that often, and isn't that important now).
Gearfried's effect is semi-continuous: he checks if there are cards equipped. However, it still remains trigger, because his effect starts when a card is equipped to him.
 
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I think Spirit Reaper could be lumped into the semi-continuous category as well. Its always looking to see if something is targeting it, but the card has to fully resolve before it can destroy itself, which is why you can Book of Moon Spirit Reaper and if you activate an equip spell card, designating SR and the opponent chains MST to it, Reaper isn't destroyed either.
 
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Dillie-O said:
I think Spirit Reaper could be lumped into the semi-continuous category as well. Its always looking to see if something is targeting it, but the card has to fully resolve before it can destroy itself, which is why you can Book of Moon Spirit Reaper and if you activate an equip spell card, designating SR and the opponent chains MST to it, Reaper isn't destroyed either.
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Woops... thanks for catching that Dillie-O.
 
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skey23 said:
Points back up the ruling quoted in post #3. "Gearfried the Iron Knight"s effect CAN'T be continuous if it uses the chain block.
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I'll have to check on this, because Gearfried has always been Continuous in nature. I can definately deal with it being a Trigger, but its always been ruled as Continouos in the past, but it definately is one of those "on the fence" effects that could go either way.

In this case, novastar is wrong.
The 'trigger' of Spirit Reaper is when he is targeted by a card effect. (Also, the 2nd trigger is when he attacks directly. But that doesn't happen that often, and isn't that important now).
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Simply...no, it's continuous, for sure.
 
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Dillie-O said:
I think Spirit Reaper could be lumped into the semi-continuous category as well. Its always looking to see if something is targeting it, but the card has to fully resolve before it can destroy itself,
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<facts>

That would be like saying, "Pyramid Turtle is semi-continuous because it constantly checks to see if it's destroyed in battle." There is such a thing as semi-continuous, but so far as I know, that ONLY applies to Reliquished and TER, whose effects are ignition-activated continuous effects. Just because a trigger effect is constantly checking to see if it's been triggered doesn't make it continuous.

</facts>

<opinions>

Gearfried, Reaper, and Berserk are and have always been trigger effects. Some rulings may disagree. But the point remains, despite whatever odd things UDE or Kevin may have said, they all use the chain block, all have specific triggers, and all are trigger effects.

</opinions>

-pssvr
 
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Gearfried the Iron Knight is still continuous. I think people are getting confused with what he does when his effect activates versus what he will always do.

He will "always attempt" to destroy an equipped card. But his effect only triggers if the card is successfully equipped, which means he can only destroy it at resolution and not activation.

That part of his effect is the trigger.
 
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"If this card is in face-up Defense Position on the field, destroy this card."

That is a Continuous Effect, that looks for the existance of BG is defence. It's exactly like Thunder Nyan Nyan.

They might seem event based, in reality they are not, they apply if a certain condition/existance is met. They work outside of the Chain Block, and are ruled as Continuous.

The arguements could be made for sure though.
 
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novastar said:
"If this card is in face-up Defense Position on the field, destroy this card."

That is a Continuous Effect, that looks for the existance of BG is defence. It's exactly like Thunder Nyan Nyan.

They might seem event based, but they work outside of the Chain Block, and are ruled as continuous. The arguements could be made.
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...hence why I put "fact" tags around some of it, and "opinion" tags around the second paragraph.

The argument could just as easily be made that... nevermind. All's I know's is:

Gearfried works in the chain block. How or why, and what that means is beyond me. But he is part of a chain.

...and now I quit this argument, because that is the extent of my knowledge.

-pssvr
 
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And now I am getting confused...
Am I just too tired, or does it look like that people are switching their points of opinion with each other?
I am too tired at the moment I think...
 
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