Book of Moon and Zero Gravity

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Does anyone know the definitive answer to this question?

Player A (turn player) has a Goblin Attack Force in attack position summoned on a previous turn and summons DD Warrior Lady (any two monsters would do). Player A declares an attack with GAF and player B activates Zero Gravity turning GAF and DDWL into defense position. In main phase 2 can GAF (which hasn't had its position manually changed this turn) be switched to attack position (clearly DDWK can't because it was summoned this turn)?

Suppose player B played Book of Moon on GAF instead. Can GAF be changed back to attack in main phase 2?
 
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The answer is "no" to both. If a monster's position on the field is changed by effect (ATK to DEF or DEF to ATK) you the player can not manually change it afterwards during the same turn.

- Andrew
 
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I think you may wrong the old judge list has a lot of post's on this,
the position changed by a effect not the player and the monster has been on the field for more then
a turn so looking back you can manually change the position the same turn as long as it was not summoned that turn. :wizard:
 
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Torx the Dragon said:
I think you may wrong the old judge list has a lot of post's on this,
the position changed by a effect not the player and the monster has been on the field for more then
a turn so looking back you can manually change the position the same turn as long as it was not summoned that turn. :wizard:
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This is not correct. You may not manually change the position of a monster after its position has been changed. Even if it was not summoned that turn, you still cannot change its position. If my face-up Attack position Jinzo is turned to face-down Defense position by Book of Moon, I may not Flip Summon it. It does not matter how the position of a card has changed. If it has changed at all, you may not manually change its position for any reason (except for a card effect that specifically states otherwise, of which I'm aware of none).
 
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Dlanaan said:
Torx the Dragon said:
I think you may wrong the old judge list has a lot of post's on this,
the position changed by a effect not the player and the monster has been on the field for more then
a turn so looking back you can manually change the position the same turn as long as it was not summoned that turn. :wizard:
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This is not correct. You may not manually change the position of a monster after its position has been changed. Even if it was not summoned that turn, you still cannot change its position. If my face-up Attack position Jinzo is turned to face-down Defense position by Book of Moon, I may not Flip Summon it. It does not matter how the position of a card has changed. If it has changed at all, you may not manually change its position for any reason (except for a card effect that specifically states otherwise, of which I'm aware of none).
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but that is a change in battel position from face-up attack to face-down defense but if i change my face-up
defense to face-down by book of moon , I can now flip it to face-up attack position as long as it has not been summoned in the same turn "Curtis and Steve"
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your correct on that sence, but you prolly havent noticed that you never changed the position of the monster.

the monster has to change from Atk to defense or Defense to Attack.

Monster is in defense, you BoM it then play BoT on it, then BoM, then Bot, then another BoM you can then Flip summon it your self since the position never changed.

it went from defense, to defense, to defense, to defense, to defense, to defense, to Face up attack position.


but like dlaanan and D_X stated, no you cannot manually change the position of a monster that has had its position changed by anything ( monster you battle [ tsukuyomi ], trap card [zero gravity], spell card [ Enemy controller, book of moon ]) you cant do FLip summon, then Book of moon, then flip summon again, then book of moon, no you only get 1 change around the whole turn, if anything messes it up for you then thats on you.
 
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Torx the Dragon said:
Dlanaan said:
Torx the Dragon said:
I think you may wrong the old judge list has a lot of post's on this,
the position changed by a effect not the player and the monster has been on the field for more then
a turn so looking back you can manually change the position the same turn as long as it was not summoned that turn. :wizard:
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This is not correct. You may not manually change the position of a monster after its position has been changed. Even if it was not summoned that turn, you still cannot change its position. If my face-up Attack position Jinzo is turned to face-down Defense position by Book of Moon, I may not Flip Summon it. It does not matter how the position of a card has changed. If it has changed at all, you may not manually change its position for any reason (except for a card effect that specifically states otherwise, of which I'm aware of none).
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but that is a change in battel position from face-up attack to face-down defense but if i change my face-up
defense to face-down by book of moon , I can now flip it to face-up attack position as long as it has not been summoned in the same turn "Curtis and Steve"
:wizard:
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Dude read the bold part.

you know the reason why it can change to face up attack? because you never changed its position, it went from defense to defense to attack.

its not because it hasnt been summoned on that turn, its because you never changed its position. atk to defense, defense to attack.
 
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face-up or face-down is NOT a battle position, battle position is the orientation of the card (horizontal/vertical). as long as this orientation did not change this turn (ie it hasnt with a face-up def to face-down def), i may change its battle position no problem, as long it wasnt summoned that turn.
 
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krazykidpsx said:
your correct on that sence, but you prolly havent noticed that you never changed the position of the monster.

the monster has to change from Atk to defense or Defense to Attack.

Monster is in defense, you BoM it then play BoT on it, then BoM, then Bot, then another BoM you can then Flip summon it your self since the position never changed.

it went from defense, to defense, to defense, to defense, to defense, to defense, to Face up attack position.


but like dlaanan and D_X stated, no you cannot manually change the position of a monster that has had its position changed by anything ( monster you battle [ tsukuyomi ], trap card [zero gravity], spell card [ Enemy controller, book of moon ]) you cant do FLip summon, then Book of moon, then flip summon again, then book of moon, no you only get 1 change around the whole turn, if anything messes it up for you then thats on you.
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O.K. it went to def, to def to def, BoT puts it in attack position, BoM puts it in f/d def position that is a change. I'm only get 1 manually change per turn, but card effect can change position more times in a turn
so I can change my monster position if I have not manually change them in that turn.
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You can only manually change the Battle Position of a monster (ATK to DEF or DEF to ATK) once per turn provided that

a) The monster wasn't summoned this turn.
b) The monster's battle position was not already changed by the effect of another card.

So if you "Book of Taiyou" a monster and then "Book of Moon" it again, you can't manually flip it up a second time since the position for that monster already changed.

There are no restrictions on the number of times card effects can change a monster's Battle Position during the same turn.

- Andrew
 
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I think it is already answered and densetsu_x even detailed it.

Something you should keep in mind, Monster cards have a Battle Position and a "State" (to call it in some way).

Battle Position:
- Attack Position
- Defence Position

"State"
- Face Up
- Face Down
 
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densetsu_x said:
You can only manually change the Battle Position of a monster (ATK to DEF or DEF to ATK) once per turn provided that

a) The monster wasn't summoned this turn.
b) The monster's battle position was not already changed by the effect of another card.

So if you "Book of Taiyou" a monster and then "Book of Moon" it again, you can't manually flip it up a second time since the position for that monster already changed.

There are no restrictions on the number of times card effects can change a monster's Battle Position during the same turn.

- Andrew
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Yes that is a no no the position of the monster changed you can not flip it that turn.
BoM it to f/d def position it is now reset it forgets all and in mp 2 (if I have not summoned it or made a manually change of that monster in that turn ) I can now flip summon that monster end my turn.
:wizard:
 
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Torx the Dragon said:
densetsu_x said:
You can only manually change the Battle Position of a monster (ATK to DEF or DEF to ATK) once per turn provided that

a) The monster wasn't summoned this turn.
b) The monster's battle position was not already changed by the effect of another card.

So if you "Book of Taiyou" a monster and then "Book of Moon" it again, you can't manually flip it up a second time since the position for that monster already changed.

There are no restrictions on the number of times card effects can change a monster's Battle Position during the same turn.

- Andrew
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Yes that is a no no the position of the monster changed you can not flip it that turn.
BoM it to f/d def position it is now reset it forgets all and in mp 2 (if I have not summoned it or made a manually change of that monster in that turn ) I can now flip summon that monster end my turn.
:wizard:
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sorry I to add (if the monster is in def position f/u BoM it ---)
:wizard:
 
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If the monster was in face-up defense position and you "Book of Moon" it to face-down defense position, you can then manually flip it into face-up attack position because as was stated, the battle position hasn't changed from face-up to face-down. That is what determines whether you can manually change the battle position (ATK to DEF and DEF to ATK), not face-up to face-down.

- Andrew
 
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So given this info what is the vote between Waboku and Zero G? Seems to me that the only disadvantage of Zero G is if it is MSTed prior to a monster being summoned and even then Zero G could work fine (eg. if Goblin Attack or Giant Orc is in defense position).
 
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