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dadejay

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1- my opponents summon jinzo, i use book... what's happen?
2- my opp use snatch steal on my jinzo... what's happen?
3- my opp special summon bls... (does he have a priority for the effects??? if i use book can he reflip it in the same turn?... what's happen?
4- i got a monster with uws and attack, my opp use book of moon.. what's happen?
 
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1. If your targeting Jinzo with Book of Moon then he goes face-down.
2. Jinzo goes to your opponent's side of the field and stays there till Snatch Steal is destroyed. If he gets Book of Mooned then Jinzo is turned face-down, Snatch Steal is destroyed and your opponent keeps Jinzo.
3. Your opponent has priority to use BLS' (I assume you mean the Envoy BLS) effect. If he uses Book of Moon and reflips it in the same turn he can use the first effect again becuase once turned face-down a monster "forgets" if he's used his power this turn. I'm unsure as to wheather he can attack if flipped face-up after using his effect but I presume so.
4. If he's targeting the monster equipped with United We Stand then the attack stops and United is destroyed because face-down monsters cannot be equipped.
 
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dadejay said:
1- my opponents summon Jinzo, i use book... what's happen?
2- my opp use Snatch Steal on my Jinzo... what's happen?
3- my opp special summon bls... (does he have a priority for the effects??? if i use book can he reflip it in the same turn?... what's happen?
4- i got a monster with uws and attack, my opp use Book of Moon.. what's happen?
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These questions are vague, so I don't know what's being asked here, but I'll assume.

1. Jinzo is now face-down

2a. If Snatch Steal is activated and targets Jinzo, but not yet has resolved, you may chain Book of Moon to place Jinzo face-down so Snatch Steal will no longer have a legal target.
2b. If Snatch Steal has longed resolved and your opponent controls your Jinzo with Snatch Steal, and you later activate Book of Moon, Jinzo will remain on your opponent's side of the field.

3a. Yes, your opponent has priority to use the effect.
3b(1). If your opponent summons BLS-EoTb in attack mode, and you place it face-down defense position with Book of Moon, your opponent cannot manually change the battle position of that monster for that turn.
3b(2). Note, if your opponent summons BLS-EoTb in defense mode, and you place it face-down with Book of Moon, the only effect of Book of Moon that will resolve is the face-down portion, and since it's already in defense mode, your opponent may still flip that card face-up for the turn.

4. United We Stand no longer has a legal target, so it is destroyed by Game Mechanic and is sent to the graveyard.

EDIT: Beaten to it!
 
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babyarm said:
Black Luster Soldier does not have priority to use its removal effect when summoned. Only monsters with a cost effect have priority.
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Black Luster Soldier-Envoy of The Beginning and Chaos Sorcerer both have priority to use their removal effect when summoned. And they are classed as ignition effects (the newer name for cost effects): http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=3108#3108

You can see that the term "Cost Effect" does not accurately cover all
effects included in this definition (example - "Time Wizard" is
technically a "Cost Effect" monster by this definition). For this
reason we will be replacing the term "Cost Effect" with "Ignition
Effect". In plain terms, an Ignition Effect is an effect you may chose
to activate during your Main Phase 1 or 2. This effect may or may not
have a cost associated with it.



Some examples of Ignition Effect Monsters are:

* Tribe-Infecting Virus
* Barrel Dragon
* Chaos Sorcerer
* Karate Man
* Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End
* Cannon Soldier
* Red-Eyes B. Chick
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StRiKe_NiNjA said:
3b(2). Note, if your opponent summons BLS-EoTb in defense mode, and you place it face-down with Book of Moon, the only effect of Book of Moon that will resolve is the face-down portion, and since it's already in defense mode, your opponent may still flip that card face-up for the turn.
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Sorry, but that's not true.
If he special summons BLS - EOTB in Defense Position and you place it face-down with Book of Moon, he CAN'T flip-summon it in THAT turn!

You can only manually change the position of a monster if
- it hasn't been SUMMONED THAT TURN (that's what happened in this scenario)
- it hasn't had already a position change this turn
- it hasn't declared an attack this turn

So you can't change it, because the BLS - EOTB has been summoned that turn!

soul :cool:
 
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Monsters with ignition effects allow for PLAYER PRIORITY, people, no card has priority since no card is "making the moves and declarations" of what it is "doing" or what it is "saying" to its opponent if it "activates" anything. Remember players have priority not the cards.

Book of Moon doesn't allow just summoned monsters to be flipped back faceup, since they already came in a given position to the field, also effect monsters as the Stealth Bird may have the ability to flip back down but if it was flip summoned previously(and not flip faced down) or summoned face up on that turn, Book of Mooning it makes it stay there for that turn, due to battle position ruling. Hope this clarifies the issue
 
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icecold said:
what if a player uses book of moon on IFL when IFL attacks woul the player still have to pay?
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The opponent would have to activate BoM in response to the Attack declaration of IFL. In this case, you would not have reached the point where you choose to pay for her effect.

The opponent could not wait until the Damage Step, AFTER you pay for IFL's effect, to flip her face down since BoM does not modify ATK or DEF and is not a Counter Trap card.
 
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Up to what I know (and assuming it is this scenario), when your oponnent attacks and activates the effect of Lily first of all, the only thing possible to activate at the Damage Step is any card that affects the ATK or the DEF of any of the two monsters involved, in this case lily and it's "victim" so based on that, Book of Moon is activates right after having taken the hit, and yes the player pays.

Edited:Damn! these guys really are fast! Beaten twice, however good work!
 
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Well I wasn't gonna get into whether or not Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning could be flipped summoned that turn or not, as that's a complicated issue and I presumed Dadejay was just looking for the most basic of answers.

But since we did venture into it all I'll say is that if BLS used his effect on the turn he was Special Summoned and flipped face-down (via Book of Moon) he 'forgets' that he has used his effect for the turn. So, if on that same turn, he is flipped face-up (via Book of Taiyou) he can use his first effect again or, assuming he hasn't attacked yet and you haven't left Main Phase 1, he can use his second effect.
 
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soulwarrior said:
Sorry, but that's not true.
If he special summons BLS - EOTB in Defense Position and you place it face-down with Book of Moon, he CAN'T flip-summon it in THAT turn!

You can only manually change the position of a monster if
- it hasn't been SUMMONED THAT TURN (that's what happened in this scenario)
- it hasn't had already a position change this turn
- it hasn't declared an attack this turn

So you can't change it, because the BLS - EOTB has been summoned that turn!

soul :cool:
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Actually I made a little mistake here, haha thanks for the correction.

But after the turns BLS-EoTb was summoned, if it were to remain in Defense Position, and 1 activates Book of Moon on the controller's turn while it was in face-up defense position, the controller may still legally change the battle position of BLS-EoTb with a manual change.
 
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DarkPaladin2k1 said:
Up to what I know (and assuming it is this scenario), when your oponnent attacks and activates the effect of Lily first of all, the only thing possible to activate at the Damage Step is any card that affects the ATK or the DEF of any of the two monsters involved, in this case lily and it's "victim" so based on that, Book of Moon is activates right after having taken the hit, and yes the player pays.

Edited:Damn! these guys really are fast! Beaten twice, however good work!
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Come to think of it couldn't you use Negate Attack after they pay for IFL's effect?
 
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daivahataka said:
Come to think of it couldn't you use Negate Attack after they pay for IFL's effect?
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While it is a Counter Trap and can tecnically be activated during the Damage Step I would think once they pay for Injection it's too late to activate NA. "When your opponent attacks with a monster, negate the attack and make your opponent's Battle Phase end." Isn't an attck considered already concluded by the Damage Step or am I just up too late to remember?
 
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Digital Jedi said:
While it is a Counter Trap and can tecnically be activated during the Damage Step I would think once they pay for Injection it's too late to activate NA. "When your opponent attacks with a monster, negate the attack and make your opponent's Battle Phase end." Isn't an attck considered already concluded by the Damage Step or am I just up too late to remember?
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Negate Attack has specific timing requirements, and can only be activated at the Battle Step, during the initial Response Chain.
 
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Ah, kinda thought it seemed odd to have that ignored if it were possible, though it doesn't seem to have any timing requirements other than it must be activated sometime between attack declaration and the end of the damage step (attack end). Still it would just be too abused if you could activate it in the damage step (would be useful against Machine decks though).
 
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