bottomless vs. dark world

[branas]

if player A activates graceful charity (discarding beiige & sillva),
do they special summon at the same time?
they are discarded at the same time, but i would presume that
player A has a choice how to form a chain of their summoning.
(for example: first sillva, then beiige).
the reason: would bottomless kill them both?

IF this is correct (if not ignore the following):
player B has hoshiningen on the field, so player A decides
he will summon silva first,then beiige.
beiige was the last thing summoned, he has 1200 ATK,so
player B has no chance of activating bottomless (timing)

 

[Maruno]

SEGOC. Both their effects would activate at the same time, and you choose which way round to put them on the chain. Bottomless Trap Hole will not catch them both, only the last one to Special Summon itself. Your example (if you mean Sillva is Chain Link 1 and Beiige Chain Link 2), Siilva would be caught by BTH, and Beiige would be safe (because it was Special Summoned first).

Your further example is also correct.

 

[Digital Jedi]

And keep in mind that if they had been discarded by your opponent's card effect, you could place Sillva, Warlord of Dark World first on the chain and Bottomless Trap Hole would miss its timing.

 

[branas]

ok, thanks guys

 

[KrushandKill]

And ur pretty sure about the SEGOC description? Cause there's no explanation of this situation anywhere, or at least, not on the usual places...not that I disagree with you. But I'm well known for getting my head around rullings that aren't completely clarified...

 

[Kyhotae]

How else would you handle effects that trigger simultaneously? Since they all go off at the same time, you HAVE to use SEGOC. Since you can't activate an effect in the middle of a resolving chain, you can't activate "Bottomless Trap Hole" until the last monster is Special Summoned and only that one monster is susceptible to its effect, providing it's a valid target.

 

[Digital Jedi]

And ur pretty sure about the SEGOC description? Cause there's no explanation of this situation anywhere, or at least, not on the usual places...not that I disagree with you. But I'm well known for getting my head around rullings that aren't completely clarified...

Any time you have effect activating simultaneously, you have SEGOC. The Dark Worlders are all getting discarded at the exact same time. The effects activate as soon as they hit the Graveyard.

 

[mortals]

Lets throw a little monkey wrench into the mix. Say Player A plays card destruction and discards 2 Goldds. Player B has two Divine Wrath set on the field. Can Player B Divine Wrath the first one and have the second Goldd go into a new chains OR does the turn player put both on the chain and Player B can only respond to the last one that gets summoned.

 

[Kyhotae]

Both effects activate at the same time and are placed on a Chain. You chain "Divine Wrath" to the end of the SEGOC created by the two "Golld"s.

"Divine Wrath" resolves first and negates chain 2 "Golld, Wu-Lord of Dark World"
Chain 2 "Golld, Wu-Lord of Dark World" tries to Special Summon itself, but is negated and remains in the Graveyard.
Chain 1 "Golld, Wu-Lord of Dark World" resolves and Special Summons itself to the field.

 

[KrushandKill]

And keep in mind that if they had been discarded by your opponent's card effect, you could place Sillva, Warlord of Dark World first on the chain and Bottomless Trap Hole would miss its timing.

But why this, because the oponent as to resolve the second half of Silva effect, returning 2 cards from their hand and bottmles miss its timing because of it?

 

[Digital Jedi]

But why this, because the oponent as to resolve the second half of Silva effect, returning 2 cards from their hand and bottmles miss its timing because of it?

Yes. You see Dark World monsters, such as Sillva, have what I consider to be oddball effects. The summon and the discard are both part of the same effect, but they resolve at different times. The summon takes place, and AFTER that, the discard effect takes place and interrupts the summon response timing.

 

[branas]

oddball effects really describes them well.
i think NO JUDGE with common sense would rule it the way
UDE told us by reading the text.
maybe if they switched the 2 effects text,and that the first one
(summoning) resolved first...