Cursed Seal of Forbidden Spell Questions

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Lokarin

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Ok... for ALL of these situations... Cursed Seal of Forbidden Spell is doing the negating (these are examples.... plz ignore the Ban/Restricted list for this)

1. 2 Wave Motion Cannons are played... and later in the turn (or next turn) another Wave Motion Cannon is played... THIS cannon is negated by CSoFS... Do the PREVIOUS 2 WMC's continue their effect or do they Remain meaninglessly

2. Same situation, except the first 2 WMC's are SET, not actiavated (say because another card forced them to SET first)... later if a WMC is negated CAN they activate the first ones (they are already set)

3. Situation.... if they play MST to destroy this card... can I activate CSoFS to negate it (the discard will be, say Giant Trunade).... can my opponent use EITHER Giant Trunade OR MST for the rest of the duel

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For question one:

I'd say the wavemotions will clock up standbys and be able to be used normally, But I suggest taking the word of someone more knowledgable.

For question two:

They may not activate their set wave-motion cannons

Three:

You discard has nothing to do with what your opponent can play for the remainder of the duel.
 
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Then why does the card say "cannot activate Spell Cards of the same name (including the Spell Card that is destroyed by this card's effect) during the rest of this Duel."

That implies more than 1 card
 
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Unfortunately activate can be ambiguous in this game: Cold Wave prevents cards that are already face-up on the field from being activated, but Counter traps can not be chined to those cards activation.

WMC's that are already face-up on the field would be unnaffected, That Cursed Seal would just prevent the initial activation.
 
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Um... I don't know where the Judges Board is... well, I do... but I don't know where to ask questions... the KEY questions are:

1. Does the tributed Spell card affect your opponent AS WELL as the card that is negated?

2. Do Face-Up Spell cards with Ignition effects become mute once the card is negated and remain on the field meaninglessly?

...In case someone else could ask
 
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Lokarin said:
1. 2 Wave Motion Cannons are played... and later in the turn (or next turn) another Wave Motion Cannon is played... THIS cannon is negated by CSoFS... Do the PREVIOUS 2 WMC's continue their effect or do they Remain meaninglessly
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The FAQ states: "Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell" only negates the activation of Spell Cards. It does not prevent the use of Continuous Spell Cards already active, like "Archfiend's Oath". So the other two face-up Wave-Motion Cannons would be unaffected.

2. Same situation, except the first 2 WMC's are SET, not actiavated (say because another card forced them to SET first)... later if a WMC is negated CAN they activate the first ones (they are already set)
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They cannot. See above.

3. Situation.... if they play MST to destroy this card... can I activate CSoFS to negate it (the discard will be, say Giant Trunade).... can my opponent use EITHER Giant Trunade OR MST for the rest of the duel
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Two things I'm a lttile unclear on. One, are they tageting your set Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell with MST? If so, then yes you can chain it, and they will be unable to activate MST again later in the Duel. And two, are you asking if the discarded card has anything to do with CSotFS's effect. If so then no it does not.

Then why does the card say "cannot activate Spell Cards of the same name (including the Spell Card that is destroyed by this card's effect) during the rest of this Duel."

That implies more than 1 card
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All that statement means is that your opponent cannot activate Spell Cards of the same name, including the card he just tried to activate. So he couldn't go get the exact same card you negated (via Magician of Faith, etc.) and try to use it, saying: "it said cards of the same name but it didn't say the exact same card." Well, the statement in parentethis makes sure he can't try that.

EDIT: For this reason it's should probably be noted that MST is limited to one whether you play banned or unbanned.

And you can negate one the activation of one of your own spell cards and your opponent cannot activate cards of the same name or try to get yours with, say, Double Spell for the rest of the Duel.
 
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well, I thought it was certain that the spell card you discard for CoFS is definitely NOT included in the negation/prevention effect.

#2 I would have to agree that it seems like their effects would continue, but it really is just speculation.
 
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Just for clarity and backing up with others have said: "including the Spell Card that is destroyed by this card's effect" cannot be referring to the card that you DISCARDED (but did not destroy) from your hand.
 
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squid said:
well, I thought it was certain that the spell card you discard for CoFS is definitely NOT included in the negation/prevention effect.

#2 I would have to agree that it seems like their effects would continue, but it really is just speculation.
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It's not speculation. It's in the FAQ. And besides that, Wave-Motion Cannon doesn't even count Standby Phases until it's sent to the Graveyard. It's just like Magic Jammer, once the Cannon has already activated and resolved it's far too late for either Magic Jammer or Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell to affect it. The timing has been missed.
 
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Ya, ok, the Discard thingy is resolved... and I already know from the rulings that most Continuous spells would be unaffecting.... but I want to know if Continuous Spell that are Activated, but are Later used or something (Ignition or Trigger effect, or whatever words y'guys be using) could be used anymore... OOO... like Mass Driver.... thats a perfect example.... could Mass Driver's Face-up effect be used if CSoFS later negates another Mass Driver
 
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You have been misjudging the CSOTFS effect, you did understand that it Doesn´t negate face up Continuous Spell Cards, So in the case of Mass Driver, since one has already been activated, and not negated, it`s effect would be able to be activated any time your opponent wants.
 
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Lokarin said:
Ya, ok, the Discard thingy is resolved... and I already know from the rulings that most Continuous spells would be unaffecting.... but I want to know if Continuous Spell that are Activated, but are Later used or something (Ignition or Trigger effect, or whatever words y'guys be using) could be used anymore... OOO... like Mass Driver.... thats a perfect example.... could Mass Driver's Face-up effect be used if CSoFS later negates another Mass Driver
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From ruling:
"Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell" only negates the activation of Spell Cards. It does not prevent the use of Continuous Spell Cards already active, like "Archfiend's Oath".

So yes, you can still use the effect of a face-up Mass Driver as long as it is activated before CSotFS.

But I got another question:

From ruling:
When you negate and destroy "Black Pendant" with "Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell", and afterwards a Set "Black Pendant" is destroyed, the effect of "Black Pendant" will not be activated (neither the "Black Pendant" that was negated nor the Set "Black Pendant" destroyed later will inflict 500 damage).

What if you negate and destroy a Wave Motion Cannon, while there are still another one standing on the field? That is, if I negate WMC with CSotFS while another WMC is already face-up on the opponent's side of the field, can the opponent still send his WMC to the graveyard to inflict damage?
 
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There's a difference here, the black pendant mentioned in that ruling is face down, and unable to be activated, even if their activation is forced by being destroyed. Wave-motion cannons that have already activated their effect.
 
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Lokarin said:
Ya, ok, the Discard thingy is resolved... and I already know from the rulings that most Continuous spells would be unaffecting.... but I want to know if Continuous Spell that are Activated, but are Later used or something (Ignition or Trigger effect, or whatever words y'guys be using) could be used anymore... OOO... like Mass Driver.... thats a perfect example.... could Mass Driver's Face-up effect be used if CSoFS later negates another Mass Driver
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The negation of a Spell Card with Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell is identical to the the negation of a Spell Card by Magic Jammer. The only difference is Cursed's added effect of preventing Spell Cards with the same name as the one it just negated from being activated again. But just like Magic Jammer, you can't chain to the face-up effects of Mass Driver or Black Pendant or Malevolent Nuzzler, etc. As I said before, yo've missed the timing. You can only chain to the initial activation.

What if you negate and destroy a Wave Motion Cannon, while there are still another one standing on the field? That is, if I negate WMC with CSotFS while another WMC is already face-up on the opponent's side of the field, can the opponent still send his WMC to the graveyard to inflict damage?
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No. Again the ruling is speaking of a Black Pendant that is face-down and hasn't been activated yet. Now if a Black Pendant or a Wave-Motion Cannon was already active, and then another copy was negated then it's far too late for the face-up one's to be negated. Again, you've missed the timing.
 
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novastar said:
Nuzzler and Despair i'm not sure.

Black Pendant is a Graveyard Trigger and does use the Chain Block. The reason you can't chain Magic Jammer is because it is not Card Activation, it is Effect Activation.

Magic Jammer chaines to Card Activation.
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Oh I see.

Wouldn't this also verify that Axe of Despair is placed onto a chain as well? Or I have may missed the key difference between Axe of Despair and Black Pendent?
 
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I've always thought Black Pendent doesn't go on a chain, but go figure, the effect is much like Witch of the Black Forest as it is a graveyard trigger and "does" get placed onto a chain and can be negated by Divine Wrath.

If this is true of Black Pendent, why can't Magic Jammer negate it?
 
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