Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell Question

[crh1985]

sorry i hit enter not shift topic was to be
Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell question

my opponent activated Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell on my Ancient Rules then i played Misfortune then on my next turn i tryed to play another Misforturne and he said i could not because Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell wont let me play 2 cards with the same mane is that true is just a miss reading in the card?

Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell

counter trap

Discard 1 Spell Card from your hand to negate the activation and the effect of a Spell Card and destroy it. Your opponent cannot activate Spell Cards of the same name (including the Spell Card that is destroyed by this card's effect) during the rest of this Duel.

 

[Digital Jedi]

No, it's not preventing you from playing multiple copies of all Spell Cards. Only the copies of the card negated.

 

[HorusMaster]

Curse of the Forbidden Seal keeps the opponent from playing multiple copies of the spell card negated but it ALSO keeps the opponent from playing spell cards that have the same name as the spell card that was discarded as cost for Forbidden Seal. It essentially keeps your opponent from being able to use two differently named spell cards the entire game.

 

[Digital Jedi]

Curse of the Forbidden Seal keeps the opponent from playing multiple copies of the spell card negated but it ALSO keeps the opponent from playing spell cards that have the same name as the spell card that was discarded as cost for Forbidden Seal. It essentially keeps your opponent from being able to use two differently named spell cards the entire game.

No, no, no, no, no. LOL

Sorry, Horus. I know I'm not usually that adamant. But the negation effect has absolutely nothing to do with the name of the card discarded. Never has. If you discard an MST to negate a Heavy Storm, cards named Heavy Storm are the only thing that your opponent can't play. If you discard a Swords of Revealing Light to negate a Final Countdown, only cards named Final Countdown are restricted from being played.

The problem is with the misinterpretation of this phrase: "(including the Spell Card that is destroyed by this card's effect)" For some reason, this phrase has led folks to think that the phrase before, "Your opponent cannot activate Spell Cards of the same name" was talking about the discarded card. It's not. The phrase in parenthesis is saying that cards of the same name as the card destroyed, including the card destroyed, cannot be played. In other words, if you somehow manage to retrieve the card from the Graveyard during the duel, it still can't be played. That's all it means.

 

[LionHeart]

No, no, no, no, no. LOL

Sorry, Horus. I know I'm not usually that adamant. But the negation effect has absolutely nothing to do with the name of the card discarded. Never has. If you discard an MST to negate a Heavy Storm, cards named Heavy Storm are the only thing that your opponent can't play. If you discard a Swords of Revealing Light to negate a Final Countdown, only cards named Final Countdown are restricted from being played.

The problem is with the misinterpretation of this phrase: "(including the Spell Card that is destroyed by this card's effect)" For some reason, this phrase has led folks to think that the phrase before, "Your opponent cannot activate Spell Cards of the same name" was talking about the discarded card. It's not. The phrase in parenthesis is saying that cards of the same name as the card destroyed, including the card destroyed, cannot be played. In other words, if you somehow manage to retrieve the card from the Graveyard during the duel, it still can't be played. That's all it means.

My friend still thinks it's the incorrect way as you described also. I'm glad I now have a judge to back me up.

 

[Digital Jedi]

My friend still thinks it's the incorrect way as you described also. I'm glad I now have a judge to back me up.

[info]If you activate a Spell Card and chain "Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell", then your opponent cannot activate Spell Cards of the same name, even though your opponent didn't activate the Spell Card in the first place.[/info] The key thing to look at here are the rulings, which will trump even the opine of a Judge everytime. Notice that you can activate and negate your own Spell Card with Cursed Seal, and your opponent will still be prevented from activating cards of the same name. And particularly notice that it says absolutely nothing about the discarded card. It doesn't use the word "name(s)", just "name". Singular.

Unfortuntly, the old Judges List was locked up when the created the new one (for what reason I can't imagine, since tons of questions were answered there.) But we just happen to have the old RSS posting on our board.

[judge-yu] What is negated by Curse Seal of the Forbidden Spell?

As I read it, only the card that is being negated cannot be played by your
opponent for the rest of the game.

However, there are those locally and on the different boards which are trying
to claim that it will also negate the Spell that is discarded to activate Curse.

Example:
Player A has Curse Seal set. Player B plays Pot of Greed. Player A activates
Curse Seal, discarding Heavy Storm.

Now, is Player B now out of luck trying to play Heavy also? Or is he just done
with Pot?

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Answer:

>From the text of "Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Seal": "(including the Spell Card that is destroyed by this card's effect)"

Two important facts to note:

1. Discarding is not the same as destroying.
2. Discarding a Spell Card is a cost to activating "Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell"; it is not an effect of the card.

Given that knowledge, why would your opponent be prevented from activating the card you discarded? The simple answer is that they are not.

The text of "(including the Spell Card that is destroyed by this card's effect)" tells you that the card that was just negated is included in the Spell Cards that cannot be activated. This is important for Spell Cards that are run in multiples of two or three.

Example:

Player A activates "Smashing Ground".
Player B activates "Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell", discarding "Creature Swap" from their hand.

Now, let's assume nothing else is added to the chain. "Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell" resolves, and "Smashing Ground" is negated.

For the remainder of the duel, Player A cannot activate any Spell Card named "Smashing Ground". This includes the very same "Smashing Ground" that was just negated (in the case of returning it to your hand via "Magician of Faith" or a similar effect).

So, there you go. I hope I've dispelled any false rulings you've heard regarding "Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell".

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Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG
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[SoilentG]

Thanks Digi, that line "This includes the..." confused me too... I also thought like Horus that it implied that the discarded Spell Card also couldn't be activated. Phew!