D.D. Crazy Beast

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If my opponent attacks my Giant Rat with his D.D. Crazy Beast, thus destroying both monsters, will my Giant Rat still be removed from play due to the Crazy Beast's effect or will my Giant Rat go to the graveyard because Crazy Beast would no longer be on the field, thus his effect would also not take place?

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D.D Crazy Beast activates when it destroys a monster as a result of battle. Giant Rat's effect does not activate until it is destroyed by battle AND sent to the Graveyard. D.D. Crazy Beast's effect would activate first and G. Rat wouldn't gt a chance to activate, since it never hits the Graveyard.
 
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Digital Jedi said:
D.D Crazy Beast activates when it destroys a monster as a result of battle. Giant Rat's effect does not activate until it is destroyed by battle AND sent to the Graveyard. D.D. Crazy Beast's effect would activate first and G. Rat wouldn't gt a chance to activate, since it never hits the Graveyard.
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Actually, "D.D. Crazy Beast" must survive the attack to remove the card from play. The attack destroys both monsters, so for all intents and purposes, they are no longer on the field. As soon as "D.D. Crazy Beast" is destroyed, his effect can no longer be applied. Both cards will go to their respective Graveyards and "Giant Rat" will activate.
 
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triggered effect, not a continuous one. Crazy Beast does not need to remain on the field.

Compare it to Hyper Hammerhead for a reference:

Hyper Hammerhead
Effect Monster (Dinosaur / EARTH / 4 Stars / ATK 1500 / DEF 1200)

When this monster battles an opponent's monster, if the opponent's monster is not destroyed as a result of the battle, the opponent's monster is returned to its owner's hand at the end of the Damage Step.

"¢ "Hyper Hammerhead"'s effect activates at the time that a monster would be sent to the Graveyard.

"¢ Even if "Hyper Hammerhead" was destroyed, its effect resolves.

"¢ The effect of "Hyper Hammerhead" can be chained to.

"¢ If you have another effect that activates at the end of the Damage Step, you can place it on a chain with "Hyper Hammerhead"'s effect (such as "Hyper Hammerhead" vs. "Hyper Hammerhead").

"¢ [Re: Des Kangaroo] If "Hyper Hammerhead" attacks "Des Kangaroo" in Defense Position, their effects form a chain; "Hyper Hammerhead" is Step 1 because it is the turn player's effect, and "Des Kangaroo" is Step 2. "Des Kangaroo" resolves first and destroys "Hyper Hammerhead", then "Hyper Hammerhead" resolves and "Des Kangaroo" is returned to the owner's hand.
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Again, an effect cannot trigger if it is destroyed by battle (unless it's a FLIP effect). Besides, "Hyper Hammerhead" only requires that a card do battle with it. That's not the same as destroying or being destroyed. Surely there would have been an entry similar to the one for "Hyper Hammerhead" for "D.D. Crazy Beast" if it worked the same.
 
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Kyhotae said:
Again, an effect cannot trigger if it is destroyed by battle (unless it's a FLIP effect). Besides, "Hyper Hammerhead" only requires that a card do battle with it. That's not the same as destroying or being destroyed. Surely there would have been an entry similar to the one for "Hyper Hammerhead" for "D.D. Crazy Beast" if it worked the same.
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D.D. Crazy Beast
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A monster that this card destroys as a result of battle is removed from play.

It's a Trigger Effect. It activates after Damage Calculation. Why would it not resolve in the "Resolve Effects" portion of the Damage Step before either monster is sent to the Graveyard?
 
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Kyhotae said:
Actually, "D.D. Crazy Beast" must survive the attack to remove the card from play. The attack destroys both monsters, so for all intents and purposes, they are no longer on the field. As soon as "D.D. Crazy Beast" is destroyed, his effect can no longer be applied. Both cards will go to their respective Graveyards and "Giant Rat" will activate.
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Er, the monster is still on the field when the effect activates. Giant Rat is not.
 
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Well, after some expiramentation with "Ultimate Masters" (just to see how the video game handled it), it appears that Digital Jedi is correct. I wonder, however, why this card is a Trigger Effect when "Hydrogeddon" is a Continuous Effect...

Sorry for the incorrect post.
 
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I'm just curious. I've been hearing people say that Hydrogeddon is Continuous Effect. Where exactly does it say that? Because according to the Judges list Hydrogeddon's effect can form a chain:

http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=7354#7354

If I played "Creature Swap" and I select a "Mother Grizzly" to switch with my opponent's monster. I then proceed to attack "Mother Grizzly" with my "Hydrogeddon".

Would both effect activate? If so, and I choose to placed "Hydrogeddon"'s effect on chain link two and "Mother Grizzly"'s effect on chain link one, would any of them miss their timing?


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Answer:

Both effects will activate and form a chain.

You will not "miss the timing."

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Curtis Schultz
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CurtisSchultz_Netrep@Hotmail.com
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Hydrogeddon is NOT a Continuous Effect. He must send a monster to the Graveyard as a result of Battle. When a monster is destroyed and sent to the Graveyard, it triggers his effect. Otherwise, if he just destroys a monster, and that monsters is returned to deck or removed from play instead of going to the Graveyard, it does not activate.
 
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Yeah, notice that Judges List message uses words like "activate" and "timing". The message I quoted says to place his effect in a chain. These are things Continuous Effects don't do.
 
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Aren't Rat & D.D. Crazy Beast destroyed at the same time?
And sent to graveyard at the same time?
I'd say D.D. Crazy Beast must be on the field AFTER battle so
it could have it's textbox active.
 
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They are both destroyed at the same time. They both go to the Graveyard at the same. But Giant Rat's effect activates in the Graveyard. D.D. Crazy Beast's doesn't. It activates in the Damage sub-step where monsters are considered destroyed, the sub-step BEFORE destroyed monsters are actually sent to the Graveyard. As such, D.D. Crazy Beast will still be on the field when its effect activates.
 
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They're destroyed at the same time, but "D.D. Crazy Beast" only needs to destroy the card to trigger his effect. It doesn't matter that they're both destroyed. "D.D. Crazy Beast" activates and resolves whether he's destroyed or not.
 
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