D.D. Crow vs Deck Devastation Virus and Dark World

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drzero7

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This will probably happen to few players. Mainly cause people are sidedecking D.D. Crow against Dark World, and Dark World these days are packing DDV. Anyway, onto the question.

#1: Your foe activates DDV. You have D.D. Crow in your hand. To the responce to DDV, you can chain to it and activate D.D. Crow from your hand to RPF whatever card you can from your foe's grave right? (Since your gunna lose D.D. Crow anyway)

IMO, the answer is yes.

#2: DDV was activated and it's effect is still lingering. You topdeck D.D. Crow during your draw phase. Can you immediately activate D.D. Crow to RPF something out of your foe's graveyard. (Since your gunna lose it anyway)

IMO, again, the answer is yes.

From what I see, D.D. Crow can be activated anytime but the damage step. (So no D.D. Crow during when you attack a Morphing Jar face-down.) In situations like D.D. Crow vs Card Destruction. You can decide not to chain to Card Destruction, and then D.D. Crow will not activate and will count towards how much cards you draw, (And if your foe discards Dark World by Card Destruction, you missed your timing since they discard after when it resolves) or you can discard D.D. Crow, remove something (e.g. maybe Treeborn Frog) and it will not count towards Card Destruction effect of how much you draw. Similar situation when it's D.D. Crow vs Morphing Jar, and your foe flip summons their set Morphing Jar (D.D. Crow can activate since it's not during damage step, although it'll again miss it's timing of RFP any Dark World monsters.)

D.D Crow vs Dark World Dealing.

Both effect must resolve first, meaning both players must draw and then discard. THEN after your foe discards Dark World AND you discarded something else, THEN you can immediately discard D.D. Crow to RFP that Dark World monster in order to stop the effect. (usually a Goldd/Sillva) I think this is how it's suppose to work. (And thus overall, you discard 2 cards. One card for Dark World Dealing, and then D.D. Crow when Dark World hits the grave on your foe)
 
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Thanks, a couple more.

Does the effect to Gren/Kahkki get negated when you discard D.D. Crow when they get discarded?

Similar question against Goldd/Sillva. If YOU discard your foe's Goldd/Sillva (Unfortunately, you cannot do this with Spirit Reaper/Don Zaloog since both discard activate during damage step, i.e. D.D. Crow effect cannot be activated. But you can discard D.D. Crow when you tribute summon Thestalos, activate Drop Off, etc.) and you discard D.D. Crow to stop them from being special summoned, does it also negate their 2nd effect. (Of me losing either 2 cards in hand or 2 cards on my field)

D.D. Crow vs D-Hero. (They have graveyard effects kinda like Dark World does)

#1: Against Malicious

Say your foe have Malicious in their graveyard. You discard D.D. Crow to remove Malicious from play. Can your foe "chain" the effect of D.D. Crow to remove itself of Malicious from play to get another Malicious from their deck? (i.e. still get it's effect before D.D. Crow bites it)

I think you can... IF your foe have the correct timing. That is only during your foe's main phases. (i.e. not during your foe's Draw Phase/Stand-by/end Phase/etc. which all of them D.D. Crow can activate) Also not during when an effect is resolving. (e.g. Your foe activate Destiny Draw. They discard Malicious as a cost, then you chain D.D. Crow to the activation of Destiny Draw and remove from play Malicious, since Destiny Draw is a cost and Malicious immeidately hits the grave when activated. Then after that, your foe draws 2 cards cause now Destiny Draw effect resolves.)

Against Dasher.

Your foe have a D-Hero Dasher in their Graveyard. Your foe topdecks a monster during their Draw Phase. (Say a DMoC or another Dasher) Your opponent shows what they topdeck during draw phase and declare to special summon it by the effect of Dasher. Can you chain D.D. Crow to remove from play Dasher to negate Dasher's effect in the graveyard. (What if there's 2x dasher in the graveyard that have not used their effect? I remove 1 of them with D.D. Crow, then does the 2nd Dasher in the grave still activate to special summon that monster during draw phase?) This one I honestly have no clue since Dasher is a bit confusing.

Against Diamond Dude

When Diamond Dude effect kicks in and your foe topdecks a Normal Spell card and send it to the graveyard. (Say Destiny Draw or Dimension Fusion) You can discard D.D. Crow to remove that spell card and then it's effect won't kick in on your foe's next turn during main phase right?
 
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drzero7 said:
Does the effect to Gren/Kahkki get negated when you discard D.D. Crow when they get discarded?
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No, because they simply activate and resolve in the Graveyard, they don't go anywhere, so removing them won't stop their effects.
drzero7 said:
Similar question against Goldd/Sillva. If YOU discard your foe's Goldd/Sillva (Unfortunately, you cannot do this with Spirit Reaper/Don Zaloog since both discard activate during damage step, i.e. D.D. Crow effect cannot be activated. But you can discard D.D. Crow when you tribute summon Thestalos, activate Drop Off, etc.) and you discard D.D. Crow to stop them from being special summoned, does it also negate their 2nd effect. (Of me losing either 2 cards in hand or 2 cards on my field)
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Yes, this works quite well. It's actually covered in the rulings for Dark World Monsters. If they are removed before their effects resolve, then neither effect will resolve.
drzero7 said:
#1: Against Malicious

Say your foe have Malicious in their graveyard. You discard D.D. Crow to remove Malicious from play. Can your foe "chain" the effect of D.D. Crow to remove itself of Malicious from play to get another Malicious from their deck? (i.e. still get it's effect before D.D. Crow bites it)

I think you can... IF your foe have the correct timing. That is only during your foe's main phases. (i.e. not during your foe's Draw Phase/Stand-by/end Phase/etc. which all of them D.D. Crow can activate) Also not during when an effect is resolving. (e.g. Your foe activate Destiny Draw. They discard Malicious as a cost, then you chain D.D. Crow to the activation of Destiny Draw and remove from play Malicious, since Destiny Draw is a cost and Malicious immeidately hits the grave when activated. Then after that, your foe draws 2 cards cause now Destiny Draw effect resolves.)
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"Malicious" is an Ignition Effect monster. It is not a chainable effect. Your example doesn't work because you can't chain the effect of "Malicious" to "D.D. Crow".
drzero7 said:
Against Dasher.

Your foe have a D-Hero Dasher in their Graveyard. Your foe topdecks a monster during their Draw Phase. (Say a DMoC or another Dasher) Your opponent shows what they topdeck during draw phase and declare to special summon it by the effect of Dasher. Can you chain D.D. Crow to remove from play Dasher to negate Dasher's effect in the graveyard. (What if there's 2x dasher in the graveyard that have not used their effect? I remove 1 of them with D.D. Crow, then does the 2nd Dasher in the grave still activate to special summon that monster during draw phase?) This one I honestly have no clue since Dasher is a bit confusing.
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Removing the "Dasher" from the Graveyard won't stop it's effect from resolving. If you removed one of the "Dasher's", you can still resolve the effect of the other.
drzero7 said:
Against Diamond Dude

When Diamond Dude effect kicks in and your foe topdecks a Normal Spell card and send it to the graveyard. (Say Destiny Draw or Dimension Fusion) You can discard D.D. Crow to remove that spell card and then it's effect won't kick in on your foe's next turn during main phase right?
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This is correct, and also covered in the rulings for "Diamond Dude". If the Spell Card is no longer in the Graveyard during your next Main Phase, then you can't activate the effect of that Spell Card.


Hope this helps!
 
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Okay, thanks.

Hmm, so you have to remove Dasher before it gets it's effect kicks in huh. Well, removing Malicious is easy, but removing Dasher will be a bit of a prob. (You usually want to remove something more of a threat then Dasher. Cause sometimes, your foe never topdecks a monster worth special summoning during their draw phase.)
 
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Kind of a pesky little point but....does DDV check before the card is added to the hand? It's something I never really thought about before. If it does is the appropriate monster able to be played? Is a card playable before it's added to the hand? Is there a "no where zone" from deck to hand? <potentially opening a can of worms>
 
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No the card is considered to be in your hand when DDV checks it:

"¢ [Re: Deck Devastation Virus] If you have the four limbs of Exodia in your hand when your opponent activates "Deck Devastation Virus" they will be destroyed. You can use two "Backup Soldier" to return them to your hand and they will not be destroyed (they were not drawn). If on your next turn you then draw "Exodia the Forbidden One" you will win the game before "Exodia the Forbidden One" is destroyed by the effect of "Deck Devastation Virus".

That pretty much sums it up. So yes, you would be able to chain DD Crow to get its effect too.
 
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Couple more questions.

Your foe activate Card Destruction or flipped Morphing Jar. After you discard and draw your new hand, THEN you draw into D.D. Crow and your foe discarded Dark World monster(s). Now, after Card Destruction/Jar effect hvae resolved, THEN you can immediately discard your D.D. Crow to stop Goldd/Sillva right?
 
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Yes.

Basically the general Umbrella here: If you have DD Crow in your hand and it is not the Damage Step, you can discard it to remove a Dark World in the same chain as the Dark World Monster's effect to prevent it from hitting the field (in the case of Goldd, Sillva, Beiige, or Reign-Beaux).
 
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drzero7 said:
#2: DDV was activated and it's effect is still lingering. You topdeck D.D. Crow during your draw phase. Can you immediately activate D.D. Crow to RPF something out of your foe's graveyard.
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Not possible. The lingering effect does not have a spell speed. Thus, it's resolved directly after the draw, and no one can chain to it.
When you get priority to start a chain in response to the draw, it's already too late to activate the effect of DDC, since it's already been destroyed.
 
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I thought that the Deck Virus' draw effects were Continuous. You draw the card, then you look at it, and possibly destroy it. Wouldn't the effect have to be chainable for D.D. Crow to chain to it?

It would be like Summoning Berserk Gorilla, having Level Limit Area B change it to DEF mode, Berserk Gorilla destroying itself, and then trying to respond with Mystik Wok.

And, when you draw to get the last Exodia piece, then you draw the piece, and then check with Deck Devastation Virus. But, you already have completed Exodia, so you win.

It's not confirmed how Deck Destruction Virus of Darkness works, including if that scenario is legal.
 
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I agree with Martok and Entropy. "Deck Devastation Virus" would destroy the card right after the draw before the turn player gets priority. Much like how "Level Limit - Area B" changes your monster to defense position before you get priority to activate an effect.

"Mystical Space Typhoon" vs. "Drop Off" works because you're chaining to the activation of "Drop Off". You can't chain to "Deck Devastation Virus's" draw-check.

Hope this helps!
 
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