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I was wondering. If you flip an attack position monster facedown with Darkness Approaches it is then on the field in facedown attack position. My question is... can you flip this monster face up manually and if you can what is it considered to be because i thought the rules said a flip summon is flipping a monster from facedown defense to face up attack.
 
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You can flip-summon a face-down Attack Position monster and it will be face-up Attack Position after the flip-summon.

If the monster is attacked, it will just be flipped face-up and you calculate its ATK vs. the opponents monsters ATK (flip-effects will be activated).

soul :cool:
 
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soulwarrior said:
You can flip-summon a face-down Attack Position monster and it will be face-up Attack Position after the flip-summon.

If the monster is attacked, it will just be flipped face-up and you calculate its ATK vs. the opponents monsters ATK (flip-effects will be activated).

soul :cool:
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Konami said:
b. Flip Summon
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Konami said:
  • The act of turning a card from face-down Defense Position to face-up Attack Position is referred to as a flip. Intentionally flipping a card and positioning it for an attack is termed Flip Summon.
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correct me if im wrong. But doesn't that contradict what you just said?
 
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The TCG contradicts itself plenty of times. Things change. I rather have this answered on the judge list because no matter how logical showing what a Flip Summon entails, there are loopholes.
 
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Well, thanks for the official quote, but this is the 'normal case'.
Darkness Approaches is the only known card that can change a monster to face-down Attack Position, that might be the case why it was left out at the official rulings.

For whatever reason... the 'official Game Play FAQs' don't say something about this special situation. Still, you can flip-summon a face-down Attack Position monster to face-up Attack Position.

soul :cool:
 
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You don't really ever decide to flip summon a card.

You get to switch cards positions manually, and that is it, from defence to attack, and attack to defense, That's it.

If the card so happens to be in face-down defense position and you decide to change it to attack position, the card is flip-summoned because of that.

You're free to switch the card targetted by Darkness Approaches form face-down attack, to face-down defense, and then next turn you will be able to switch it from face-down defense to attack position. And because of that it is flip summoned

Judge List archive:
http://www.cogonline.net/threads.4898
 
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DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
Judge List archive:
http://www.cogonline.net/threads.4898
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Well, sorry, but in the thread Curtis refer's to face-down DEFENSE Position monsters...
he even mentions Book of Moon and steps away from the question about Darkness Approaches.

I have an official ruling from a internal UDE file that states exactly what I mentioned before (please don't quote me on this one, I guess some guys would get mad again... // I have access to this file because I'm working as a freelancer for UDE Germany).

I don't want to quote from the file, because I guess that could cause some problems (you never know), so I can only tell you that I'm sure what I posted before is correct.

You can believe it or not... well, it's your choice.
I won't quote from the file because I could get problems, sorry.

This must sound like a random argument, but that's all I can do.

soul :cool:
 
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soulwarrior said:
Well, sorry, but in the thread Curtis refer's to face-down DEFENSE Position monsters...
he even mentions Book of Moon and steps away from the question about Darkness Approaches.

I have an official ruling from a internal UDE file that states exactly what I mentioned before (please don't quote me on this one, I guess some guys would get mad again... // I have access to this file because I'm working as a freelancer for UDE Germany).

I don't want to quote from the file, because I guess that could cause some problems (you never know), so I can only tell you that I'm sure what I posted before is correct.

You can believe it or not... well, it's your choice.
I won't quote from the file because I could get problems, sorry.

This must sound like a random argument, but that's all I can do.

soul :cool:
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It would seem that as long as it can be argued, it will be.... But not from my end.

EDIT: This is quoted from the latest Version 5 Rule Book that I stated in another thread gets ignored, and once again, it would seem that it has...


b. Flip Summon
The act of turning a card from face-down to face-up is referred to as a flip. Intentionally flipping a card and positioning it for an attack is termed Flip Summon.


Nowhere does it state face-down defense to face-up attack....
 
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Was Curtis even paying attention to the questions being asked? How does Book of Moon fit into the question with Darkness Approaches?
Question
If Darkness Aproches places an attacked postioned Slate Warrior face-
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a) can it be flipped summoned that turn?
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Answer
1) Only if it was in face-up Defense Position before being turned face-down by "Book of Moon" AND it was not Summoned during that same turn AND you had not already changed its Battle Position during that same turn.
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So a monster flipped into face-down Attack Position by Darkness Approaches can be Flip Summoned only if was flipped by Book of Moon into face-down Defense Position? (!!??) What kind of nonsensical answer is that?

And he blanket answers the number 2 question, completely ignoring the part about both players chaining Ojama Trio, which WOULD trigger a replay. <sigh>
 
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also, if you pay attention to that post's date, it's from before the Position Change rules were changed, he's refering to that.

also, as masterwoo0 quoted, flipping a face-down attack position monster face-up CAN be done and IS considered a Flip Summon.
 
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This was answered here during the first 6 months of the board (I know because I'd been given incorrect information and felt foolish when I was informed of the correct answer) I can't seem to find that very old thread. It was answered again before the news about manual position changes here: http://www.cogonline.net/threads.8037&page=1&pp=15&highlight=darkness+approaches
so anyone reading that thread should realize that the discussion on Book of Moon was previous to being told we'd been wrong all this time.

And it was answered again here:
http://www.cogonline.net/threads.2578&highlight=darkness+approaches
 
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