Deck Devastation Virus vs. My Body as a Shield
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roadhouse007
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My Body as a Shield only works if there is no doubt that a monster is going to be destroyed. With Deck Devastation Virus, while resolving, checks for a condition upon which monsters are destroyed. At activation though, there is no sure way to tell if monsters will be destroyed by its effect.
Due to these things, I would say you could not chain My Body as a Shield to Deck Devastation Virus because there is no sure way to tell that monsters are going to be destroyed or not. Even if you had something like a Sangan on your side of the field, something like Rush Recklessly could stop it from getting destroyed by the virus.
Due to these things, I would say you could not chain My Body as a Shield to Deck Devastation Virus because there is no sure way to tell that monsters are going to be destroyed or not. Even if you had something like a Sangan on your side of the field, something like Rush Recklessly could stop it from getting destroyed by the virus.
no...My Body as a Shield can be activated against effect that destroy monsters, regardless if they can actually destroy them or not...so it can be activated against Deck Devastation Virus...
masterwoo0
NINJA4LIFE
My Body as a Shield can only be activated if you would have a Monster destroyed by the effect of Deck Devastation Virus at the time of its activation. If it were a case that Sangan was on the field, you could chain My Body as a Shield to Deck Devastation Virus to negate and destroy it.
If there are no eligible monsters on the field, you may not activate My Body as a Shield since there would be no monsters destroyed.
If there are no eligible monsters on the field, you may not activate My Body as a Shield since there would be no monsters destroyed.
roadhouse007
New Member
NLFW said:
.......And then......
the Netrepâ„¢ card database said:
the rulings never lie..........
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Masterwoo said:
Just to make sure on it, if the Sangan were face down when ddv were activated, MBaaS would NOT be able to be activated, because there is no way to tell for sure the face down monster will be destroyed, due to game mechanics, right?
But the way I see it, there is still no way to be 100% the monster will be destroyed. Sangan could be pumped by a Rush Recklessly. I will give an example for my Reasoning:
Player A has a dark monster and an earth monster on their side of the field. Player B plays Earthshaker (which my body of a shield cannot be chained to) and calls earth and dark. 1 is definately going to be destroyed by Earthshaker because 1 of each attribute exists. My Body as a Shield still cannot stop it.
Now I know that Earthshaker's controller declares the 2 attributes during resolution, but just like Deck Devastation Virus checks for attack strength during resolution. This is my argument to why I think it would work that way.
masterwoo0
NINJA4LIFE
I dont think you're argument is a good one for "why", because for all intents and purposes, Sangan IS going to be destroyed if he is face-down. You can't chain Rush Recklessly to a face-down card, and if Sangan is face-up, unless you DO chain Rush Recklessly, he is surely destroyed.
Deck Devastation Virus allows you to check ALL monsters on the field, even if they are face-down (for the one turn you can destroy them on field).
Deck Devastation Virus allows you to check ALL monsters on the field, even if they are face-down (for the one turn you can destroy them on field).
roadhouse007
New Member
But what I'm saying about Sangan face down is you do not know for sure (at least the game state doesn't) that a monster on your side of the field is surely getting destroyed as a result of DDV.
And I think you were confused at what I was saying anyways. nowhere did I mean to imply that the Rush Recklessly - Sangan example and the face down Sangan example were the same. In fact, I think I separated them.........(checking old post).......oops, bad placement. Sorry. I meant them as 2 separate examples:
1) Game state does not know that face down monster (Sangan) is going to be destroyed, so player shouldn't be able to activate DDV.
2) (changed to make more realistic, even though retarded anyways.....)Player A's turn, activates Heavy Storm, chains DDV, tributing Giant Germ, player B respond with my body, player A Rush Recklessly Player B's Sangan (Snatch Steal in hand)........when this chain resolves, if DDV would get a chance to, it would not destroy the Sangan anyways.......this is closer to what I'm trying to get at.....there is no "DDV will DEFINITELY destroy the monster", even though this exact situation is far fetched. But it shows how DDV is not a surefire even when it seems it would be. This is why I consider it classified with Earthshaker and Time Wizard.
Now that I don't seem like some idiot trying to boost a face down monster with a Rush Recklessly, do you see what I was trying to say?
And I think you were confused at what I was saying anyways. nowhere did I mean to imply that the Rush Recklessly - Sangan example and the face down Sangan example were the same. In fact, I think I separated them.........(checking old post).......oops, bad placement. Sorry. I meant them as 2 separate examples:
1) Game state does not know that face down monster (Sangan) is going to be destroyed, so player shouldn't be able to activate DDV.
2) (changed to make more realistic, even though retarded anyways.....)Player A's turn, activates Heavy Storm, chains DDV, tributing Giant Germ, player B respond with my body, player A Rush Recklessly Player B's Sangan (Snatch Steal in hand)........when this chain resolves, if DDV would get a chance to, it would not destroy the Sangan anyways.......this is closer to what I'm trying to get at.....there is no "DDV will DEFINITELY destroy the monster", even though this exact situation is far fetched. But it shows how DDV is not a surefire even when it seems it would be. This is why I consider it classified with Earthshaker and Time Wizard.
Now that I don't seem like some idiot trying to boost a face down monster with a Rush Recklessly, do you see what I was trying to say?
BenjaminMS
The Kozaky show
IMO, My Body as a Shield CAN NOT be used as protection against DDV, because of the unsure factor of destruction...
Just like the ruling Roadhouse stated, if it is a card with an unsure factor, you can't use MBaaS against it...
Just like the ruling Roadhouse stated, if it is a card with an unsure factor, you can't use MBaaS against it...
masterwoo0
NINJA4LIFE
The reason I say your argument isnt good is because unless you actually did chain Rush Recklessly to your opponents monster, that would be the only way it wouldnt be destroyed, if it increased his attack over 1500.roadhouse007 said:
If the controller of My Body as a Shield had both Rush and MBaaS, then he could activate either effect if his opponent activated Deck Devastation Virus (if Sangan, or any other monster under 1500 attack, is face-up), and possibly save the monster targeted by Rush Recklessly, or, negate and destroy DDV with MBaaS.
Rush would be useless in the sense that it only protects that one monster on the field, and any others would be destroyed, as well as any in hand that were under 1500.
Besides, no effect is definite unless it cant be chained too, so you cant really use that argument against My Body as a Shield, as you can use a few other effects to prevent the face-up monster from being destroyed, like Interdimensional Matter Transporter or Monster Recovery.
The cards listed in the registry, "Earthshaker", "Barrel Dragon", "Acid Trap Hole", and "Time Wizard" alll have effects that may or may not resolve successfully. Deck Devastion Virus is GOING to activate and resolve (unless negated) regardless of of whether it destroys a monster on the field or not.
1. Earthshaker','ycard','width=600,height=600'); return false;">Earthshaker can't be chained to because your opponent must select one of 2 attributes and a monster that would be destroyed IF that atribute is on the field. Guess what, if there is only one type monster on the field, you pick the attribute that isnt.
2. Barrel Dragon','ycard','width=600,height=600'); return false;">Barrel Dragon has to get at least 2 heads to destroy a monster. Can't chain
3. Acid Trap Hole','ycard','width=600,height=600'); return false;">Acid Trap Hole is a 50/50 chance of hitting a 2000 and below defense monster. Again, can't chain.
4. Time Wizard','ycard','width=600,height=600'); return false;">Time Wizard "might" get the right call and might not. Can't chain.
I would say that unless all monsters are face-down, you cannot chain My Body as a Shield. If at least one eligible monster is face-up, then you can chain.
BenjaminMS
The Kozaky show
Masterwoo0, you CAN indeed chain cards like Rush Recklessly and IMT. However, it only changes the outcome for one monster, as you already say yourself.
I have the impression you stay to your point... if this isn't right, please tell.
Have some looks at ruling #1, #2 and #3 of My Body as a Shield. You'll recognize hopefully, that the cards that can be chained to, are cards that immidiately destroy cards on the field (or effects who are activated).
But cards like TIV etc cannot be chained to by MBaaS, because they need a certain timing to use their effects. That is what makes DDV go to the same rulingplace like TIV against MBaas.
Hope this maked it clear.
Greetings,
BenjaminMS
EDIT: You explained it more... k...
This is annoying as hell could be... Mmm...
When there are no cards with 1500 and less coming up, it stays that MBaaS cannot be chained. Too bad there is no ruling for MBaas vs. DDV.
*looks around* I guess I turn around a bit. Seems logic if a vulnerable monster is face-up, MBaaS can indeed be chained.
However, what if a monster with 1500< is face-up, and the player who activated DDV chains Rush Recklessly on his DDV to make the monster's ATK higher then 1500?
Masterwoo0 said:
I have the impression you stay to your point... if this isn't right, please tell.
Have some looks at ruling #1, #2 and #3 of My Body as a Shield. You'll recognize hopefully, that the cards that can be chained to, are cards that immidiately destroy cards on the field (or effects who are activated).
But cards like TIV etc cannot be chained to by MBaaS, because they need a certain timing to use their effects. That is what makes DDV go to the same rulingplace like TIV against MBaas.
Hope this maked it clear.
Greetings,
BenjaminMS
EDIT: You explained it more... k...
This is annoying as hell could be... Mmm...
When there are no cards with 1500 and less coming up, it stays that MBaaS cannot be chained. Too bad there is no ruling for MBaas vs. DDV.
*looks around* I guess I turn around a bit. Seems logic if a vulnerable monster is face-up, MBaaS can indeed be chained.
However, what if a monster with 1500< is face-up, and the player who activated DDV chains Rush Recklessly on his DDV to make the monster's ATK higher then 1500?
masterwoo0
NINJA4LIFE
I agree with you completely, as long as the monster is face-down. If it's face-up, its destroyed. Same as the timing for Lightning Vortex.BenjaminMS said:
I think you mis-read the ruling on Tribe-Infecting Virus.
You CAN use My Body as a Shield. The example says you cannot use it in response to the "summon", only to the effect.
BenjaminMS
The Kozaky show
masterwoo0 said:
Shouldn't read it that fast again, lol
roadhouse007
New Member
I see your point, masterwoo, but I still agree with mine. I actually could see it both ways, but untill there is a BKSS ruling on this, I would HATE to see this situation come up at a tourney, because then it would be a BJSS ruling (because judges said so).
BenjaminMS
The Kozaky show
pssvr said:
Basically yes. But roadhouse doesn't agree yet.
For those who may still be confused. This was and is the correct answer to this issue. I merely skimmed the posts to see what was said and argued, so I may have missed a few things that were said, but basically it goes like this...masterwoo0 said:
You must remember that "My Body as a Shield" MUST be chained at activation of the effect that will destroy a monster(s). If ALL monsters on the field are face-down, then the game does NOT know the status of those monsters at that time; thereby, making it impossible to know if ANY monster will be destroyed by "Deck Devastation Virus". It doesn't matter if YOU know what the face-down cards are (like "Sangan") or not, the GAME doesn't know. Remember, this is at activation, the face-down cards are not checked by "Deck Devastation Virus" until it resolves.
If there is at least 1 face-up monster with an ATK of 1500 or less at the time "Deck Devastation Virus" is activated, then you can chain "My Body as a Shield" because it IS known that at least 1 monster WILL be destroyed by "Deck Devastation Virus" at that time.
Hope this helps!