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So I was wondering exactly how this would work out.

Saying that I would have one or two dragons already out on the field (let's say two blue eyes just for namesake) and i summoned Lord of D which would protect my dragons. Then i would play the equip magic card "Heart of Clear Water" to my lord of D since it has less then 1300 atk points. Heart of Clear water states that it will protect the card from only effects that directly target it. So, if my opponent decides to activate torrential tribute on his turn, would only my dragons be protected and Lord of D destroyed?

Seems to me like lord of D would be destroyed but not my dragons because it would technically been protected by lord of D.

It all seems confusing, but it could work out depending on which monsters get destroyed first...

Anyone have a clue as to what happens?
 
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Lord of D. protects Dragons for what? Effects that specifically target Dragons.

"As long as this card remains face-up on the field, all Dragon-Type monsters cannot be targeted by Spell Cards, Trap Cards, or effects of monsters that designate a target."

Torrential Tribute. Does it actually "target" a monster? When a card effect targets a monster it means that a monster was selected as the recipient of the effect by choice. Some effects, like Bottomless Trap Hole or Fissure, will specifically destroy one monster, but not by selection. They simply destroy what ever monster met the qualifications of their condition. Bottomless Trap Hole will destroy what ever monster(s) was just normally summoned (with an atk of 1000 +) and Fissure will destroy what ever monster has the lowest attack on your opponent's side. It's not an effect that is being "TARGETED", it's just going where it needs to.

Torrential Tribute doesn't "target" either. It just has a trigger (when a monster is summoned) and an effect (destroy all monsters on the field). It didn't "target" anything. Torrential Tribute just destroys "all" of the monsters, so it's not targeting at all. Lord of D, the Dragons, and any other monster on the field would be destroyed.

What is a Targeting effect Lord of D can prevent? Things where the controler "selects" where the effect will go. Ring of Destruction, Exiled Force, Equip cards (activated after Lord of D hit the field), Sakuretsu Armor, and Book of Moon are some good examples. Basically, if the controler of the effect decided at the time they activated the effect where that effect would go, then it targeted. If the destination of the effect was choosen after it was activated, durring it's resolution, then it's a non-targeting effect.

*edited to remove "Trap Hole" from non-targeting (since Trap Hole does in fact target) and replace it with "Bottomless Trap Hole", which is non-targeting.
 
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I think Gimpy is correct; but i have a lil doub about it.

I think I heard some where that "Trap Hole" DID target and it could no be usaed againsy "Tyrant Dragon" for example, and the it was "Bottomless Trap Hole" the ona that dis not target.
 
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Gimpy is correct.

only thing that saves the dragons are targetting effects.

Trap Hole does not target a monster it searches for a monster that was normal or flipped summoned with an attack of 1000 or higher.
Bottomless trap hole does not target a monster. (hency why you can use it with cyber jar)
Torrential Tribute
Fissure
hammershot
smashing grounds

all do not target.

cards that target, are cards that point to the card.

Change of heart
equip spell cards
Sakuretsu armor
Magic cylinders
Draining shield
Ring of Destruction

all these target.

so preaty much if you have 4 dragons and summon lord of d. your opponent cannot activate book of moon on your dragons, sakuretsu, cylinders, or ring, nor can they use exiled force.

but they can use Tribe infecting virus, since all it does is search for the type and kill it.

just like fissure or hammer shot or smashing, it searching for what it need to search, lowest attack on opponents field, highest diffense on opponents field, highest attack on the field.
 
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The reason why Bottomless Trap Hole does not target is because it is possible to special summon 2 or more monsters at the same time. Example: Flute of summoning dragon, cyber jar, etc...
 
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then explain to me the difference between these 2 texts.

trap hole:
Card Text
When your opponent Normal Summons or Flip Summons a monster with an ATK of 1000 points or more, destroy the monster.

bottomless traphole:
When your opponent Normal Summons, Flip Summons, or Special Summons a monster with an ATK of 1500 or more, the monster is destroyed and removed from play.

other than the fact that 1 is 1500 +, applies for special summons, and removes from play.

both cards have the same text.

so if 1 is non target, how can the other be target?
 
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Trap hole targets, bottomless does not. That's the ruling, all must comply.


(in japan i hear that Bottomless is considered to target as well, but Japan does not matter.)



Trap Hole is in Active tense "Destroy the monster"

Bottomless is in Passive tense "The monster is Destroyed"

(However many cards that do not target are in active tense, though i can't think of cards that target that are in passive tense (the targetting part of the effect "When this card is destroyed, the monster is also destroyed" is passive tense but is the later part of the effect, not the activation part.)
 
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im talking to D_X right now, and hes telling me the text on the card registry is wrong, so trap hole = target.

because for it to be non target it has to say "monster(s)"

so i guess you can include Trap hole as a Targetting effect.
 
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Yea, my bad on the Trap Hole bit. I keep forgetting that Trap Hole was ruled to be targeting. Long ago it was concidered non-targeting, and it doesn't help my confusion to have "Bottomless Trap Hole" out there as a non-targeting effect either.

OK, so I goofed that one. Dang, I was really hoping to be perfect for all of 2005. Well, guess I'll try again for 2006.
 
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Gimpy said:
Yea, my bad on the Trap Hole bit. I keep forgetting that
OK, so I goofed that one. Dang, I was really hoping to be perfect for all of 2005. Well, guess I'll try again for 2006.
Click to expand...

Now that's a long wait.. try being perfect for the year of the Rooster? It starts on February 9th.
 
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