Equip Spell Card Vs. Equip Card

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Raigekick

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EDIT: Similar thread posted by exiledforcefreak: No such thing as a card turning into an equip spell card? all judges read

Since we have new ruling regarding Equip Cards. I need a verification from the community on which of the following assumptions is accurate:

ESC = "Equip Spell Cards"
EC = "Equip Cards"

First assumption (ESC is sub-set of EC):
  1. EC is a super-set that includes ESC; Hence, ESC is a sub-set of EC
  2. EC has the same behavior as ESC in terms of "it must have a valid target to exist on the field" and "can only be equiped to a face-up monster". So, if we say EC has this behavior, then naturally, ESC must have the same behavior.
  3. Any card that affects EC will also affect ESC, but any card that affects ESC will not affect EC.
Second assumption (EC is sub-set of ESC):
  1. ESC is a super-set that includes EC; Hence, EC is a sub-set of ESC
  2. ESC has the same behavior as EC in terms of "it must have a valid target to exist on the field" and "can only be equiped to a face-up monster". So, if we say ESC has this behavior, then naturally, EC must have the same behavior.
  3. Any card that affects ESC will also affect EC, but any card that affects EC will not affect ESC.
Third assumption (ESC and EC are separate and non-intersecting Set):
  1. EC is a Set and ESC is another Set. Both are different, separate, and non-intersecting Set.
  2. Both EC and ESC have the same behavior in terms of "it must have a valid target to exist on the field" and "can only be equiped to a face-up monster".
  3. Any card that affects EC will only affect EC and not affect ESC. Any card that affects ESC will only affect ESC and not affect EC.
Examples of Errata:

Armored Glass
(Pharaoh's Servant)
You can only activate this card when a monster is equpped with an Equip Card. Negate the effects of all Equip Cards on the field during the turn this card is activated.

Blast with Chain
(Legacy of Darkness)
After activation, this card is treated as an Equip Card. Select 1 monster you control and equip it with this card to increase the ATK of the selected monster by 500 points. When this card is destroyed by the effect of another card while it is an Equip Card, select 1 card on the field and destroy it.

Burning Beast
(Magician's Force, Dark Revelation vol.1)
Once per turn, during your Main Phase, if you control this monster on the field, you can equip it to your "Freezing Beast" as an Equip Card, OR unequip the Union equipment and Special Summon this card in face-up Attack Position. While equipped to a monster by this card's effect, each time the equipped monster inflicts Battle Damage to your opponent, destroy 1 face-up Spell or Trap Card on the field. (1 monster can only be equipped with 1 Union Monster at a time. If the equipped monster is destroyed as a result of battle, destroy this card instead.)

Collected Power
(Labyrinth of Nightmare)
Select 1 face-up monster on the field. Equip this monster with all face-up Equip Cards on the field. If the target of the Equip Card is not correct, destroy the Equip Card.

Dark Necrofear
(Labyrinth of Nightmare, Duelist League 2)
This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card can only be Special Summoned by removing from play 3 Fiend-Type monsters in your Graveyard. If this card is destroyed as a result of battle or by your opponent's card effect while it is a Monster Card, it is treated as an Equip Card during the End Phase of this turn, and equip 1 of your opponent's monsters with this card. As long as it is equipped with this card, you control the equipped monster.

ETC...
 
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Raijinili said:
Well, an equip card can only be a spell or trap card, and it defaults to spell.
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So, you agree on the third assumption, plus:
4. If "Equip Card" is a Trap Card, then it is a "Equip Trap Card"; otherwise, it's considered as "Equip Spell Card"
 
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Yes, in the Japanese game Spell Cards have always been Equip Spell Cards and Trap Cards have always been Equip Trap Cards. Now the NA rules have been "Corrected"

Monster Cards that are equipped default to Equip Spell Card.
 
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Actually, I guess if a card comes out that can force-equip a trap to a monster, it might be a spell card. Might.

Oh, novastar, I invested in you (Novastar Financial) for Economics class. Don't let me down... or else.
 
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novastar said:
Yes, in the Japanese game Spell Cards have always been Equip Spell Cards and Trap Cards have always been Equip Trap Cards. Now the NA rules have been "Corrected"

Monster Cards that are equipped default to Equip Spell Card.
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Got it! So, even though both are different Set (Category), they still follow the same behavior in terms of "it must have a valid target to exist on the field" and "can only be equiped to a face-up monster". Right?

Also, Trap Cards like "Shadow Spell" and CotH are still considered Continuous Spell Card that targets a monster. The are NOT considered "Equip Trap Cards". Correct?
 
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Raijinili said:
Actually, I guess if a card comes out that can force-equip a trap to a monster, it might be a spell card. Might.

Oh, novastar, I invested in you (Novastar Financial) for Economics class. Don't let me down... or else.
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What would be an example of this, "Blast with Chain" (with the new errate)? This is probably an "Equip Trap Card" due to the errata.
 
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Got it! So, even though both are different Set (Category), they still follow the same behavior in terms of "it must have a valid target to exist on the field" and "can only be equiped to a face-up monster". Right?
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Correct, all the same rules apply, only the Type of card (Spell vs. Trap) is different.

Also, Trap Cards like "Shadow Spell" and CotH are still considered Continuous Spell Card that targets a monster. The are NOT considered "Equip Trap Cards". Correct?
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They remain unchanged. They are not considered an Equip, a Continuous Card is still a Continuous Card, unless the text states otherwise.

What would be an example of this, "Blast with Chain"?
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No, he means force a Trap Card that is not normally supposed to be an Equip to be transformed into one. Sort of like a Rel/TER or Sword Hunter forcing a Trap Card to become an Equip.

Blast with Chain is supposed to be an Equip when activated.
 
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The way I understand the new ruling a monster can't turn into a spell card. Only an equip card. No where on brain jacker or on an errata'd dark necro fear does it say "spell card"; only equip card


Dark Necrofear
(Labyrinth of Nightmare, Duelist League 2)
This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card can only be Special Summoned by removing from play 3 Fiend-Type monsters in your Graveyard. If this card is destroyed as a result of battle or by your opponent's card effect while it is a Monster Card, it is treated as an Equip Card during the End Phase of this turn, and equip 1 of your opponent's monsters with this card. As long as it is equipped with this card, you control the equipped monster.
 
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The Official FAQ specifically states:

"Whenever a Monster Card becomes an Equip Card, it is treated as an Equip Spell Card, and is no longer a Monster Card."

I have no idea what they are doing with the text here but i'm going with the FAQ on this one.

Dark Necrofear and Brain Jacker both become Equip Spell Cards.
 
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well

blast with chain is treated as a normal trap cad untill it is actvated and once it is actvated it becomes a equipet magic card so all the rules that aply to magic cards now aply to this card and if you have equiped it to a monster that got fliped face down it would then be destroyed by the rules not a card effect just like if you play penguin solder to return a monster to your hand that had premature burial on it the card now has no target to be equiped to so it is destroyed by rules



just like if you jump of a clif the rules of gravity will kill you


and you have to play something that negates traps because it dosent actvate into a magic just turns in to one like playing dna trasplant

i also want to know if you actvate blast during the dammage step could they actvate 7 tools
 
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from:
http://www.upperdeckentertainment.com/yugioh/en/faq_advanced.aspx

Equip Cards


An "Equip Card" is any card that is equipped to a face-up monster on the field. Spell Cards with the Equip Icon are the most common type of Equip Card, and are officially called Equip Spell Cards. They are treated as both Spell Cards (They would be destroyed by the effect of "Heavy Storm") and Equip Cards (for purposes such as "Gearfried the Swordmaster".) Other cards may become Equip Cards though card effects, like with "Sword Hunter" or Union Monsters. Whenever a Monster Card becomes an Equip Card, it is treated as an Equip Spell Card, and is no longer a Monster Card. So a "Dark Magician" equipped to your "Sword Hunter" as an Equip Card could be destroyed by "Heavy Storm" but not "Tribute to the Doomed".

Some Trap Cards, like "Blast with Chain", can also become Equip Cards. These cards are considered Equip Cards but are NOT Equip Spell Cards. This means that it is a Trap Card (and could be destroyed by "Remove Trap") and an Equip Card (for purposes such as "Gearfried the Swordmaster".) It is not a Spell Card, and could not be destroyed by "De-Spell".

I recieved an e-mail from the judges list letting me know they added this section and that I should probably go read it... so I did


from:
http://www.upperdeckentertainment.com/yugioh/en/faq_errata_01.aspx

Blast with Chain
(Legacy of Darkness)
After activation, this card is treated as an Equip Card. Select 1 monster you control and equip it with this card to increase the ATK of the selected monster by 500 points. When this card is destroyed by the effect of another card while it is an Equip Card, select 1 card on the field and destroy it.
 
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Lets see if I have this down.

Spell cards with the Equip Card mark are considered Equip Spell cards.

Monster cards that become Equip Cards are considered Equip Spell cards.

Trap cards that become Equip Cards are NOT considered Equip Spell cards, but are Equip Cards. (example: Blast With Chain)

Right?
 
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