future fusion

[mikoal]

do u know if FF needs to remain on the field for the select machines and discard to grave effect to occur?

so if i activate FF and playetr B chains MST, what happens??


also on a side question for mausoleum of the emperor, does it need to remain on the field to use its effect? or can someone pay 1000 immediately to summon something?

 

[snezzlebear]

do u know if FF needs to remain on the field for the select machines and discard to grave effect to occur?

so if i activate FF and playetr B chains MST, what happens??


also on a side question for mausoleum of the emperor, does it need to remain on the field to use its effect? or can someone pay 1000 immediately to summon something?

Future Fusion must remain on the field for the effect to activate. If it is not on the field during the 2nd Standby Phase, then you do not Special Summon the Fusion Monster.

So if you opponent chains Mystical Space Typhoon to the activation of Future Fusion it is destroyed before its effect can activate meaning you don't remove any monsters from your deck.

In regards to Mausoleum of the Emperor it's effect is only active whilst it remains on the field. If it is destroyed you can no longer use its effect.

You can use its effect straight away on the condition that you have the Life Points to use with it and haven't already made a Normal Summon that turn. Mausoleum of the Emperor does not grant extra Normal Summons. If you use its effect, you cannot Normal Summon or Set another monster during the same turn.

Also a monster Normal Summoned with the effect of "Mausoleum of the Emperor" is NOT Tribute Summoned. So if you pay 1000 Life Points and Normal Summon one of the Monarchs or pay the necessary Life Points to summon a different monster with the text "when this card is Tribute Summoned successfully" its effect will not activate.

 

[mikoal]

so does it mean it needs to remain on the field for the removing monsters from deck to grave to apply as well?

EDIT: as for the mausoleum querstion, what if someone chains MST t it, im gusesing u cant summon by pay # times 1000 to summon a tribute?

 

[skey23]

so does it mean it needs to remain on the field for the removing monsters from deck to grave to apply as well?

Sending the monsters from your deck to the Graveyard is part of the effect, not a cost to activating "Future Fusion". If "MST" or "Dust Tornado" is chained to the activation of "Future Fusion", and they successfully destroy "Future Fusion" before it resolves, then you will not touch your deck. In other words...yes, it must be face-up on the field for you to send monsters to the Graveyard from your deck.

EDIT: as for the mausoleum querstion, what if someone chains MST t it, im gusesing u cant summon by pay # times 1000 to summon a tribute?

I don't understand what you're asking with this question. You basically just said you can't do what "Mausoleum of the Emperor" is designed to do...lol.

 

[DarkLogicianOfCaos]

Sending the monsters from your deck to the Graveyard is part of the effect, not a cost to activating "Future Fusion". If "MST" or "Dust Tornado" is chained to the activation of "Future Fusion", and they successfully destroy "Future Fusion" before it resolves, then you will not touch your deck. In other words...yes, it must be face-up on the field for you to send monsters to the Graveyard from your deck.

Now don't get mad or anything, you know I have issues with wrapping my mind this card, but....

Shouldn't its first effect resolve anyway, because the first effect activates as soon as the card is activated. It is for the "resolution" of its second effect (which doesn't "activate" until the second standby) that it needs to remain face up on the field, isn't it? Or is it because of the whole continuous thing? That even though it has two effects that activate and resolve seperately, being a continuous makes it so that even if the first effect activates, if it is destroyed, it cannot resolve?

Technicallity much?

 

[Oceanus]

I've been wondering what to do if you pay so and so LP, and then your opponent activates "Mind Crush", and happens to basically rid your hand of the only monster that could have been tribute summoned for that effect.

 

[Maruno]

I've been wondering what to do if you pay so and so LP, and then your opponent activates "Mind Crush", and happens to basically rid your hand of the only monster that could have been tribute summoned for that effect.

That would mean Mausoleum of the Emperor is an effect you activate (by paying the cost), and upon resolving said effect you Normal Summon a monster.

I thought it was a continuous effect that provided an alternate method of payment when you go to make a Normal Summon. In which case, it's simply a Normal Summon, and we all know Normal Summons don't go on chains. So your opponent couldn't respond with a card to get rid of the monster you're trying to Normal Summon.

Plus, note that a Normal Summon when done with Mausoleum of the Emperor (i.e. Life Points instead of Tributes) is NOT a Tribute Summon. 1000 Life Points does NOT get you a Monarch's effect.

 

[mikoal]

yes about the tributing, i understand that it doesnt give u a monrach effect....

but what i am curious about is, what exactly is the break down here, or the speed, or the proper steps


Player A's turn
He activates MoEmperor

Player B see's that and has BTH and MST set and knows player A has a jinzo

Can player B prevent player A from paying 1000 lp by MST-ing away the MoE so that he does not get the chance to use it's effect.


so Player A plays MoE
Player B chains MST

i dont believe Player can use its effect in the middle of the chian?

EDIT:
and in regards to the futurefusion

i was looking at the removing mosnter from the deck to the grave more of an activation
whereas remaining on the field to summon the fusion is for the 2ndary effect

 

[mikoal]

and in regards to the futurefusion

i was looking at the removing mosnter from the deck to the grave more of an activation
whereas remaining on the field to summon the fusion is for the 2ndary effect

 

[Fury]

First:

Using the effect of "Mausoleum of the Emperor" can be chained to.

But I get confused here about Future Fusion, so I write down how I think it works:

Activation of the card:
- nothing to do, starts a chain
- if its destroyed by MST or such before resolution it wont resolve because a continuous spell needs to remain on the field to resolve.
Resolution of the card:
- you select the fusion monster and show it to your opponent, then send the monsters from your deck to the grave (shuffle deck afterwards).

Then at your 2nd standby phase:
FF's effect triggers and starts a chain. If its destroyed in a chain by MST or such its effect wont resolve for the same reason as above.
Resolution:
- you fusion summon a fusion monster with the same name as the one you selected earlier and it becomes the target of FF.

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They could have written such "how to play this card" not only for Amazoness Chain Master but for other possibly problematic cards.

 

[Martok]

I thought it was a continuous effect that provided an alternate method of payment when you go to make a Normal Summon. In which case, it's simply a Normal Summon, and we all know Normal Summons don't go on chains. So your opponent couldn't respond with a card to get rid of the monster you're trying to Normal Summon.

The effect of Mausoleum of the Emperor is a Spell Speed 1 Ignition Effect and can be chained to.

Now Shouldn't its first effect resolve anyway, because the first effect activates as soon as the card is activated.

The effects of continuous Spell or Trap cards automatically disappear once the cards are no longer face-up on the field (exceptions would be effects that explicitly require the card to be somewhere else, e.g. the effect of WMC).

So if MST is chained to the activation of Future Fusion and destroys it, the effect of FF disppears.
Analogously, if MST is chained to the activation of the effect of Skull Lair or Royal Oppression and destroys it, the effect of SL/RO disappears.
Same for MST vs Mausoleum.

 

[DarkLogicianOfCaos]

Yep. Here's the answer to my question via Swords of Concealing Light. (I swear sometimes I just get too bogged down in minutia that I don't see what's right in front of my dog-ugly):

"¢ Because "Swords of Concealing Light" is a Continuous Spell Card (unlike "Swords of Revealing Light"), if "Mystical Space Typhoon" is chained to its activation and destroys it, none of its effects will resolve (including the effect that changes your opponent's monsters to face-down Defense Position).

Yup. It's time for me to go back to the beginning again. "Gentlemen...this is a football."

 

[skey23]

I've been wondering what to do if you pay so and so LP, and then your opponent activates "Mind Crush", and happens to basically rid your hand of the only monster that could have been tribute summoned for that effect.

Sorry for the late delay on answering this question.

The LP payment is a cost to activating the effect of "Mausoleum of the Emperor" and/or "Ultimate Offering".

Basically, you'd end up paying the LPs and then the effect would resolve w/o effect. You basically ended up paying LPs to do nothing...lol.