Gravekeeper's Servant and Ultimate Offering

HorusMaster

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I think that the rulings for Ultimate Offering is such that BOTH players get to use it's effect during their respective turns. What I would like to know is-does the same hold true for Gravekeeper's Servant in that both players must discard from their deck before they can declare an attack or does this only affect the player that doesn't control Gravekeeper's Servant?
 
HorusMaster said:
I disagree...there was a ruling that Ultimate Offering could ALSO be used by the opponent of the player controlling that card...

http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=6673#6673
Im not sure "what" you read in that ruling, but nowhere does it say that BOTH players can use Ultimate Offering, and this entire issue about who can and can't use its effect has been resolved YEARS ago.

ONLY the Controller of Ultimate Offering can use its effect.

SEE BELOW


"Ultimate Offering" 2005-01-08 10:13:00 <Mattle Beat>


It seems that the German Card text of "Ultimate Offering" can be missunderstood:
Is a player allowed an extra Normal Summon or Set by paying 500 LP for each
monster he summons by this effect or by paying 500 LP for each monster on his
side of the field at the moment "Ultimate Offering" resolves? [e.g. 1000 LP
if there are already two monsters on the owner's side of the field]

"Ultimate Offering" may also be activated in the battle step of either player's
Battle Phase, correct?

Best regards

Beat Mattle




Answer:

Basics of "Ultimate Offering":

- Only the controller of "Ultimate Offering" may use its effect.

- You pay 500 Life Points to Normal Summon/Set an additional monster from your
hand. The number of monsters on your side of the field has no impact on the cost.

- The controller of "Ultimate Offering" can only activate its effect during
their Main Phase 1, Main Phase 2, or their Oppoenent's Battle Phase.

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As for Gravekeeper's Servant, when a card effects states, "Your Opponent" and not "Both Players", it usually means the controller of this card's "opponent" will be affected by the effect.
 
I think that your initial confusion lies in the fact that you can use Ultimate Offering on your turn or your opponent's turn, but only if you control Ultimate Offering. Would that be a fair assessment?
 
HorusMaster said:
I disagree...there was a ruling that Ultimate Offering could ALSO be used by the opponent of the player controlling that card...

http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=6673#6673
The message speaks directly to the controller of Ultimate Offering and no one else. Woo0 quotes the message where they specifically say only the controller can use it.

The confusion over this card comes from the old text which used to say "a player" may pay 500 Life Points to Normal Summon a monster. Which was not the way Konami wanted it to work. In fact, the card was grossly inaccurate as the effect text didn't work at all like it was supposed to. Here's the old text:

At the cost of 500 Life Points per monster, a player is allowed an extra Normal Summon or Set.
See how vague that wording is? It said nothing about when it could be used and ambiguously left it open for both players to use. They posted on the Judges List several times how they wanted it to be played. In fact, it's one of the few instances on the list where you here an answer that equates to "Because Konami Said So" Here's the current text:
By paying 500 Life Points, Normal Summon or Set 1 extra monster. You can only activate this effect during your Main Phase or your opponent's Battle Phase.
As you can see, they removed "a player". And no card can be used by both players unless the effect text specifically says so.
 
Digital Jedi said:
The message speaks directly to the controller of Ultimate Offering and no one else. Woo0 quotes the message where they specifically say only the controller can use it.

The confusion over this card comes from the old text which used to say "a player" may pay 500 Life Points to Normal Summon a monster. Which was not the way Konami wanted it to work. In fact, the card was grossly inaccurate as the effect text didn't work at all like it was supposed to. Here's the old text:


At the cost of 500 Life Points per monster, a player is allowed an extra Normal Summon or Set.
See how vague that wording is? It said nothing about when it could be used and ambiguously left it open for both players to use. They posted on the Judges List several times how they wanted it to be played. In fact, it's one of the few instances on the list where you here an answer that equates to "Because Konami Said So" Here's the current text:
By paying 500 Life Points, Normal Summon or Set 1 extra monster. You can only activate this effect during your Main Phase or your opponent's Battle Phase.
As you can see, they removed "a player". And no card can be used by both players unless the effect text specifically says so.
That's EXACTLY where I was getting my thoughts on the card as I was reading the old text that stated "a player". That's where I was confused in thinking that EITHER player could use Ultimate Offering's effect. I hadn't seen any other the newer rulings on the card. Thanks for the help.
 
HorusMaster said:
That's EXACTLY where I was getting my thoughts on the card as I was reading the old text that stated "a player". That's where I was confused in thinking that EITHER player could use Ultimate Offering's effect. I hadn't seen any other the newer rulings on the card. Thanks for the help.
No problem. To answer your initial question, Gravekeeper's Servant doesn't function the same way as Ultimate Offering. You don't "use" it's effect, per se. It's an effect that forces your opponent to pay a cost for his actions.

I don't think there were wording issues with Gravekeeper's Servant, but just in case, here's the current text:
Unless your opponent sends 1 card from the top of his/her Deck to the Graveyard, he/she cannot declare an attack.
As you can see, "your opponent" would only be the opponent of the controller of Gravekeeper's Servant. There's no allowance for him to benefit from it as well.
 
Digital Jedi said:
I don't think there were wording issues with Gravekeeper's Servant, but just in case, here's the current text:
Unless your opponent sends 1 card from the top of his/her Deck to the Graveyard, he/she cannot declare an attack.
Yes, there was a Errata, which is the text you quoted.

Here is the original text:

"Each time your opponent attacks with a monster, the opponent must send 1 card from the top of his/her Deck to the Graveyard."
 
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