gravity axe - grarl

[exiledforcefreak]

it states:

A monster equipped with this card increases its ATK by 500 points. As long as this card remains face-up on the field, monsters on your opponent's side of the field cannot change their battle position.

notice how it DOES NOT say "your opponent can not change the battle positions of his/her monsters"

does this mean that my opponent's card effects can not change their position either (Book of Taiyou, Labyrinth of Nightmare)?

Would activating cards like Book of Taiyou and targeting one of my opponent's monsters be considered and illegal activation?

 

[Duelmaster]

it states:

A monster equipped with this card increases its ATK by 500 points. As long as this card remains face-up on the field, monsters on your opponent's side of the field cannot change their battle position.

notice how it DOES NOT say "your opponent can not change the battle positions of his/her monsters"

does this mean that my opponent's card effects can not change their position either (Book of Taiyou, Labyrinth of Nightmare)?

Would activating cards like Book of Taiyou and targeting one of my opponent's monsters be considered and illegal activation?

I think that they mean a normal change of a monster like you can change each turn the battle position of your monster(s). So you could change the Battle-Position with cards like Labyrinth of Nightmare.

 

[exiledforcefreak]

think Final Attack Orders, I'm not so sure your right about that

 

[chaosruler]

check out these rulings, so Final Attack Orders allows changes, but then changes them back, it does not lock them.....

1. While "Final Attack Orders" is active, you can change monsters like "Guardian Sphinx" to face-down Defense Position, and while they are face-down, "Final Attack Orders" has no effect on them.
2. While "Final Attack Orders" is active, you can change the Battle Positions of monsters with "Curse of Fiend" or "Little-Winguard", but the Battle Positions are immediately changed back to Attack Position by "Final Attack Orders".
3. While "Final Attack Orders" is active, effects of "Goblin Attack Force", "Giant Orc", and "Dark Zebra" are resolved, but they are immediately changed back to Attack Position.

-chaosruler

 

[exiledforcefreak]

heh... yeah, I know. Final Attack Orders allows changes just like level limit area type b. However... Gravity Axe - Grarl does not allow changes.

The Question is, can the battle position of my opponent's monsters change via Book of Taiyou, Book of Moon, Final Attack Orders, level limit area type b, etc. if Gravity Axe - Grarl is active on my side of the field...

I think I just found my answer by extrapolating from Swords of Concealing Light. Here's what it says:

While "Swords of Concealing Light" is active, monsters can still have their battle positions changed with card effects like "Enemy Controller" and "Bite Shoes".

Not to mention, the second ability of Swords of Concealing Light reads

"As long as this card remains face-up on the field, monsters on your opponent's side of the field cannot change their Battle Positions."

Just like Gravity Axe - Grarl states.

@Duel Master
Looks like what you "think" is correct, thanks

Someone correct me if I'm (scratch that, if WE ARE) wrong

otherwise some conformation would be nice

 

[chaosruler]

I was agreeing with you, just disputing that you thought DuelMaster might be wrong, oh well, you live and you learn

-chaosruler

 

[Digital Jedi]

The word "cannot" in this game isn't as clear as in, say, VS. where "cannot" always overides "can." But if you compare Gravity Axe to something that uses that same term like Light of Intervention, coincidently (LoI: Monster Cards cannot be Set face-down. Monsters Set in Defense Position are Normal Summoned in face-up Defense Position.) the FAQ states that it will prevent monsters from ever being set face-down even through an effect like Book of Moon or Darkness Approaches. I would think since the wording is similar and since SoI and GA-G are both continuous effects the same would apply to Gravity Axe.

 

[Digital Jedi]

Now this is confusing. Swords of Concealing Light also has the "cannot" stippulation with regard to Battle Positions and yet the FAQ says: While "Swords of Concealing Light" is active, monsters can still have their battle positions changed with card effects like "Enemy Controller" and "Bite Shoes". Clearly an errata is in order for these three.

When is "cannot" an unconditional statement that cannot be overode and when is it a wishy washy statement that has a loophole?

 

[exiledforcefreak]

can't is not the final verdict when it comes to Yu-Gi-Oh, especially with conflicting cards. Also, when you look at cards you need to see if the "can", "may", or "can't" applies to card effects, the player, the monster, etc.

Example, there is a differance between your opponent not being able to change the position of a monster (manual position Shifts), not being able to change the position of a monster by a card effect (forced/effect position Shift), and a monster that can't change positions (both)