Guess what changes will be for Forbidden list for March 2007

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drzero7

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This is PURELY for fun. And we can guess some cards for the JPN OCG cards as well.

This is my prediction

Banned
Cyber-Stein (PLEASE!)

Golden Sealed Chest (The power to search anything without any backfire with exception of Counter-Trap is scary, no matter if there's a 2 turn delay. Can turn OTK decks really deadly.)

1 Per deck
Exiled Force (He needs to go back there)

2 Per deck
E-Hero Airman (Too powerful to be run in 3x, but it's also pointless when run in 1x. 2 sounds just right)

Nobleman of Crossout (Maybe this will fix all the flip monsters running havoc in TCG, even if MoF is 1x and Tsukuyomi is banned...)

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I don't think Messenger of Hades - Gors isn't so broken that it needs to be anywhere in restricted/banned list. (If the condition isn't right, it's a dead card. Can be a bad top-deck) Although with so much monster card hate in Meta, along with people not setting alot of s/t (i.e. no bluff) when they have Treeborn Frog on the field, this might get restricted to 1x like in the future, but not for March at least IMO.

Of course, as more cards come out in Japan, my opinion may change.
 
You know, if you're going to include the Japanese cards, you should include what the (unofficial) text is so most people reading this know what they can do and why they should be on a particular list.

And personally, Golden Sealed Chest should be at best restricted to 1. It's very good, but not broken good.

Golden Chest of Sealing
Magic - Normal
Choose a card from your deck and remove it from the game. Add that card to your hand at the 2nd Standby Phase after this card is activate.

Also, Cyber Dragon really needs to be restricted to 1. Basically the card has become "staple" status and every other staple is restricted. This should be no exception.
 
Okay, then I'll post some of the other OCG I mentioned.

E-Hero Airman
Warrior / Wind / Effect
4 Star / 1800ATK / 300DEF

When this card is successfully Normal Summoned or Special Summoned, you can choose one of the following effects and activate it.
- You can destroy number of Magic/Trap cards on the field equal to number of monsters with [Hero] in its name except this card on your field.
- Choose a monster with [Hero] in its name from your deck and add it to your hand.

Messenger of Hades - Gors
Fiend(Demon in JPN) / Dark / Effect
7 Star / 2700ATK / 2500DEF

When you have no cards on your field, and you receive damages by card opponent controls, you can special summon this card from your hand. If you Special Summon this card in this way this card gains the following effect according to type of damages you received.
- Battle damages: Special Summon a [Messenger of Hades - Kaien Token] (Light/Fairy(Angel)/7/?/?). The attack and defense strength of the token is equal to the battle damages received.
- Card effect damages: Do damages to opponent equal to the damage received

Hmm, I see that you don't like Cyber Dragons. Hmm, I think 1x is a tad too much. Maybe 2x for Cyber Dragon. Yeah, running it on 3x makes it a bit too powerful I guess. (Free summon that's a huge beatstick is really annoying)

Limiting Cyber Dragon (Especially 1x like you said) might make people run those Normal monsters that Konami is suggesting we should use. (Why else they created a 2000ATK 4 star Normal monster with stuff like Justi-break, etc.) I mean, before Cyber Dragon, we were running those Berserk Gorillas.
 
It's not a like/dislike issue. Just if a card reaches "staple" status such that it's almost never a bad addition to a deck, it should be restricted.

As for the other 2 you listed, E-Hero Airman is being used the way Gadgets are used (and with better stats too). Of course the additional Breaker/Mobius effect is a little harder to pull off, but still quite nasty for when you do. That said, it's fine as it is. You have to work at it to get the S/T effects off and well, I don't see E-Heros catching on yet.
 
I called 2x on Airman cause it's an instant floater when you summon it. I mean, Gadgets had weak stats to make up for being a floater but this is a 1800ATK floater monster. (At least Cyber Dragon isn't a "floater", although you don't waste no "normal summon" to get him out) I mean, D.D. Assailant is 1x per deck cause it's a 1700ATK that can kill the weaker half and then take out whatever the stronger half of monsters left. (i.e. Newdoria but with higher stat + removal) If DDA us 1x per deck, then IMO Airman needs some restrictions. (Although like I said, 1x of Airman is totally pointless)

Yeah, I guess Cyber Dragon should be 2x or 1x since everybody is running 3x of these guys since all the good broken monsters are banned. But the thing is, I really don't think Konami have the guts to put an icon monster in restriction list...
 
These things always start off as "fun", and then people forget the rules.

Its a "guess", not a "Why this card needs to be banned or not" discussion.

I cant wait to see how this turns out.
 
Well, if Airman is at 1 then you cant splash it into any deck that easily, only if you have some other hero as well. (Like Wildheart.)
I remember people saying similar things about Gravekeeper's Spy.

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About Gors, if you get hit by Spirit Reaper or Don Zaloog do they effects and that of Gors go on chain? So if you have only it in your hand, then:
link1: Reaper/Don
link2: Gors
This would mean you can summon it before it gets discarded. Right?
 
Not exactly. I can't speak for Gors since there is no official text so I'll look at it as if his effect is manditory and optional.

Case 1: Gors is Manditory
Spirit Reaper's effect is manditory, but Don Zaloog's is optional. So in this case you would have:
Spirit Reaper - Link 1
Gors - Link 2

BUT

Gors - Link 1
Don Zaloog - Link 2 (since it's Turn Player Manditory, Opponent Manditory, Turn Player Optional, Opponent Optional). So Gors could be discarded first in this scenario.

Case 2: Gors is Optional
Then you'd have Reaper/Don Z - Link 1
Gors - Link 2.
 
Since the card is in your hand which means it is not public knowledge I'm pretty sure it isnt mandatory. However reason and rulings live in different worlds so that doesnt mean much.
 
Fury said:
Since the card is in your hand which means it is not public knowledge I'm pretty sure it isnt mandatory. However reason and rulings live in different worlds so that doesnt mean much.
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Yes, but who would take the chance of having it discarded by Zalog's effect when they could special summon Gor? The text is sounding somewhat like an optional effect as it said that it can be special summoned. But we'll wait to see what the official text rulings are on it's effect.
 
eh, since these cards havent reached us yet, to make an impact on the TCG, I would hazard a guess that

Dekoichi goes to 2 per deck

Cyber Dragon goes to 1 per deck (ya still got Proto-Cyber Dragon, if you really want to do it properly)

and I totally hope that these make it on the banned list too:

Breaker the Magical Warrior
Treeborn Frog
Heavy Storm

just because seeing them in all competitive decks like they are, and in most casual decks, is a strong sign to me that those cards aren't being thought about anymore. They are included just because.
 
squid said:
eh, since these cards havent reached us yet, to make an impact on the TCG, I would hazard a guess that

Dekoichi goes to 2 per deck

Cyber Dragon goes to 1 per deck (ya still got Proto-Cyber Dragon, if you really want to do it properly)

and I totally hope that these make it on the banned list too:

Breaker the Magical Warrior
Treeborn Frog
Heavy Storm

just because seeing them in all competitive decks like they are, and in most casual decks, is a strong sign to me that those cards aren't being thought about anymore. They are included just because.
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Well, that's like saying people dont think about the reason they need gas in their cars. You know why you need it, you just dont focus as much on why, because you know what it does from experience.

Even though the cards you picked are just a sample, they have more than demonstrated their usefulness. Anyone who has no respect for the cards they include in their Decks arent just going to only choose those 3, as an example, to toss into a Deck. It's going to have a whole lot more random cards as well.
 
masterwoo0 said:
Well, that's like saying people dont think about the reason they need gas in their cars. You know why you need it, you just dont focus as much on why, because you know what it does from experience.

Even though the cards you picked are just a sample, they have more than demonstrated their usefulness. Anyone who has no respect for the cards they include in their Decks arent just going to only choose those 3, as an example, to toss into a Deck. It's going to have a whole lot more random cards as well.
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And the person who thinks about their cards and their effects will generally have a deck built around a common theme or card support of each other. Throwing random cards into a deck just because of the effect without considering the effects on other cards in their deck may win occasionally (even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then) but overall, will find themselves wanting. Some effects are overpowering and without limit, find themselves in a lot of decks for no other reason other than "just cuz". Denokochi won't be limited to less than two for the same reason that Skelengel or Dark Mimic LV are not limited: they have to be flipped for their effect to activate. Leaves a lot of room for negation. But that's just my opinion.
 
I believe they will shake up the meta some this list.

All Monarch cards restricted to 1.
Cyber Dragon restricted to 1.
Cyber Stein banned.
Last Will banned.
 
blade146 said:
I believe they will shake up the meta some this list.

All Monarch cards restricted to 1.
Cyber Dragon restricted to 1.
Cyber Stein banned.
Last Will banned.
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I have to disagree with half of that. Cyber Dragon restricted should happen, Cyber-Stein banned... well... hard to say right now given the success of other decks in recent events without the Stein. But, it could still happen.

Monarchs though won't be restricted. Think about it. Granmarg doesn't even see play. Mobius (while technically the only +1 Monarch) usually is seen in side decks only. So that leaves Thestalos and Zaborg. However, Don Zaloog hasn't been restricted all this time (and Thesty is just a 1 time shot anyway). And as for Zaborg, well... Exiled Force had gotten Semi-Limited instead. At best the latter 2 may be Semi-Restricted but that's about the most you would see. Keep in mind also that if Cyber Dragon is restricted, that will alter the effectiveness of Monarch themed decks.

Last Will is in fact a -1 but useful. However the restriction to 1 makes it already a hard draw to find and again, with some of the other possible changes (namely restricting Cyber Dragon and banning the Stein), you'll see less of a use of this card.
 
Last Will is not a minus one unless the person who activates it minus one'd themselves in order to fulfill its requirements. Otherwise its a 1 for 1.
 
HorusMaster said:
Yes, but who would take the chance of having it discarded by Zalog's effect when they could special summon Gor?
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That's the point. If it's mandatory then Zaloog would be link2 which would mean that Gors would be discarded before it coud be summoned.(=bad)

Yeah, Last Will is a 1:1, since you get a monster without additional cost.

When 24 Cyber Dragons are maindecked in the top 8 of all SJCs then I think that means something. I hope UDE/Konami catches that. (Ok in the last there where only 22 because 2 people only run 2, but I dont think that signalizes it's decline.)

squid said:
Breaker the Magical Warrior
Treeborn Frog
Heavy Storm
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Breaker is a floater with 1600 ATK, I thinks that could be enough, but 1600 is not that much, and if it gets tributed next turn anyway then its stats are irrelevant.

Treeborn seems very strong to me. I mean it can come back whenever you want, it doesnt have a fixed timing like Phoenix/VLord. You can ditch it at the start and dont care about it until your S/T zones are occasionally empty.
You can use it just to block, it doesnt need a deck build around it at all.

Heavy Storm is the only form of mass-S/T-removal (in Spell from) we have. We would need a costed alternative before banning it. Something like Lightning Vortex instead of Raigeki. A replacement for HS with a discard would be enough, it could even be unrestricted, couldnt it?
 
Fury said:
Heavy Storm is the only form of mass-S/T-removal (in Spell from) we have. We would need a costed alternative before banning it. Something like Lightning Vortex instead of Raigeki. A replacement for HS with a discard would be enough, it could even be unrestricted, couldnt it?
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Really, no one is probably going to care that they lose one card to destroy multiple Spell/Traps. If they make it with the same affliction as Lightning Vortex, then it would be garbage, and no one would use it as well.
 
IMO, there's no way they'll ban Heavy Storm and Breaker. If they do, they better ban Gravity Bind, LLAB, Wave-Motion Cannon, etc (Pretty much almost all Continuous Spell/Trap cards) along with it cause then Stall/Burn decks will reign supreme. If Heavy Storm and Breaker got banned, everyone will main-deck at least 1 Mobius and then 2x Mobius at sidedecks cause they'll lose out to Burn/DFissure/etc.

Yeah, Breaker is a floater if it destroys like say Saku, (And +1 if it also destroys a monster as a result of battle along with it, which is usually the case) but we need some form of s/t destroyers.
 
masterwoo0 said:
Really, no one is probably going to care that they lose one card to destroy multiple Spell/Traps. If they make it with the same affliction as Lightning Vortex, then it would be garbage, and no one would use it as well.
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When you play against people who play many continuous spell/traps which have no activation nor maintenance cost and prevent you from playing your cards or attack, you would care.

The main weakness of Lightning Vortex is that it only affects face-up monsters. If it would destroy face-down ones as well it wouldnt be useless. So an additional discard to Heavy Storm also wouldnt make it worthless IMO.
I care less about S/T staples than monster staples because when you make a themed deck then the monsters define the theme. Playing Mobius in a Fire deck would look bad.

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Breaker can only destroy few monsters who dont replace themself so getting the second +1 is rare.
To list a few popular ones:
Cyber-Stein: rarely
Exiled Force: rarely
D.D. Warrior Lady: possible
Don Zaloog: if its on the field it's most likely a floater already
Newdoria: possible
Old Vindictive Magician: possible
Mystic Swordsman LV2: if its on the field it's most likely a floater already
Bazoo: probably it will be pumped up, so no
Nimble Momonga: he gets 3000 LP for it
 
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