How to beat Avarice

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Myself and many others are having problems against Pot of Avarice decks, besides getting it in their first hand the cards fairly easy to use and posses a threat by how quick it gives advantage. Im thinking theres more to use against it besides Kycoo the Ghost Destroyers and Soul Releases and maybe even Mystic Swordsman LV2 Although Im not looking for cards like Necrovalley, Im looking for a easy to use card that is actually playable in the intense situations in this format. I hope this challenge is not to much to bare. Please give reasons why you think these cards will help.
Good Luck!
 
Pot of Avarice targets 5 monsters in your Graveyard, so yes, Necrovalley affects it.

It's difficult to do anything more than "try" to negate it when its played. You cant know if someone has it in their Deck, and trying to counter "one" card that can pop up ANYWHERE in the game, as long as there are 5 monsters in the Graveyard, is difficult.

The best you can do is Side in the cards you already mentioned.
 
Prohibition is a nice idea. I haven't sided that in a long time. I use to always side it in case of BLS-EotB, and then later against Phoenix.

Thanks for reacquainting me, slither!
 
Jathro said:
Prohibition is a nice idea. I haven't sided that in a long time. I use to always side it in case of BLS-EotB, and then later against Phoenix.

Thanks for reacquainting me, slither!
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:D, for some strange reason I always try and use cards which have been hugely overlooked, in today's meta there is a huge variaty of support for old and new not used cards, im just always in the look out ;).

Welcome!
 
Well. For 1. Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell is a -2. -3 if you use the card. Just to counter their +1. If you think about it. Pot of Avarice is a +1. Using one card to get 2 cards. -1 +2 = +1. But since it's 2 new cards instead of card converving. It's different I guess.

-2 to prevent a +2 isn't exactly worth it.

Dissapear's are nice but they are also useless in your side-deck unless you happen to go against a Zombie Phoenix deck or an Avarice deck.

Prohibition is blech. You use a card to Prohibit a card from being used. And considering if you're playing a Cookie Cut Avarice deck.

They are running 2 Dust Tornado, 1 Breaker the Magical Warrior, Mystical Space Typhoon, 1 OR 2 Mobius the Frost Monarch, Heavy Storm.

It's a high probability that it will be destroyed if they really think it will be a problem.

You have to take into account that if you spend the whole duel countering Pot of Avarice, the main card. The deck will beat you in the process, because if you think about it Pot of Avarice decks are just aggro with a +2 twist. They will beat you down, get rid of your hand, destroy your spell or traps, everything a normal deck would do. So countering 1 card out of a 40 card deck is not going to win it for you. But if they use Pot of Avarice while you have the apparent advantage, they may have just won it for them.

Good luck, guys. ;)
 
Why all this ? Is avarice so broken and so effective that you have to think about something to stop it ? You did not worry when Pot of Greed was playing that was really broken , and now you care about Pot of Avarice which is by far broken ? : It cannot be played early in the game ( you must have 5 monsters in the graveyard ) and it messes up your graveyard ( problem to play call or premature )


So what is this fuss all about ?
 
DragonS said:
Why all this ? Is avarice so broken and so effective that you have to think about something to stop it ? You did not worry when Pot of Greed was playing that was really broken , and now you care about Pot of Avarice which is by far broken ? : It cannot be played early in the game ( you must have 5 monsters in the graveyard ) and it messes up your graveyard ( problem to play call or premature )


So what is this fuss all about ?
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sometimes, it comes down in a boys life were they have to think for them selves, "Why do I keep losing at this game". And sometimes the not so ovious choise comes to mind, in this case its Pot of Avarice. :)
 
Complex_Mind said:
Well. For 1. Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell is a -2. -3 if you use the card. Just to counter their +1. If you think about it. Pot of Avarice is a +1. Using one card to get 2 cards. -1 +2 = +1. But since it's 2 new cards instead of card converving. It's different I guess.

-2 to prevent a +2 isn't exactly worth it.
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ust out of curiosity, call me dumb here, but how is cursed seal of the the forbidden spell a -2/-3 its a minus -2 for a potential +2/+3 as far as i can see, since very people run discard cards now your essintally leaving someone with three dead draw's.


also them pulling a pot in the first turn isnt that useful given its going to take them (unless their lucky.) too dumb five monsters in the first turn and they get a whole two extra cards, whooohoo. also if their dumping five monsters they're gonna somehow lose spell's and traps for the most part too.

also nercovalley is perfectly playable in now, as is disapeer (hell if you wanna nit pick every card is cruddy bar the beloved holy grail of cc. Cyber Dragon, soul control etc etc.)

personally like dragons and krazykid, i dont see what all the fuss is about.
 
ust out of curiosity, call me dumb here, but how is cursed seal of the the forbidden spell a -2/-3 its a minus -2 for a potential +2/+3 as far as i can see, since very people run discard cards now your essintally leaving someone with three dead draw's.
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Complex_Mind is thinking about how Cursed Seal would perform if you and your opponent are each running one Avarice. You discard 1, Cursed in-and-of itself is another 1, and your avarice is a final 1. All this to counter the opponent's 1 avarice.

Of course, it doesn't usually come out that way. But still. Some people dislike cards that mathematically don't make sense. Like Book of Moon. Which is a 0-1 trade. But is quite effective when used properly.
 
I don't really understand the fuss either. Pot of Avarice is a broken card when you build a deck around it, as is EVERY card if you build a deck around it. My brother merely wanted to know what people are doing to prepare against these decks.

Soul Release and Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer aren't the most stable ideas. But so far they are the best.

Pot of Avarice, is actually only a +1 advantage. Rediculous, huh? You use 1 card to get 2 cards. So it works out like this -1 + 2 = 1. But that's where it's different. At first I was skepticle of Pot of Avarice, but running Magical Merchant or just using cards that can easily be reused, it's different. If you draw Pot of Avarice mid game, you'll be shuffling back in your flip-effect monsters, Spirit Reapers, Breaker the Magical Warrior, Exiled Force, and other monsters you can't easily reuse from the graveyard.

People keep saying if you draw Pot of Avarice in the first hand, it is worthless. In some cases it would be, but for me, with my deck that I'm running right now, I get monsters in the grave promptly. And usually in time to flip that Pot of Avarice. You set it so they jump into Dust Tornadoing it. Then you Magician of Faith it later on when you can use it. Or just let it mildew in your hand. Either way, eventually it will be activated.

The regional I recently attended was overrun with Pot of Avarice decks. That's why there is a fuss. Just like when the only deck getting run was chaos, we had to find some way around it. I'm not saying Avarice is the new Chaos. But it is getting run VERY much.

And the Book of Moon thing. Alone it is worthless, I wouldn't run it if I didn't run 2 Dekoichi the Battlechanted Locomotive, Magical Merchant and Magician of Faith. If I didn't run that many flip effect monsters, I'd take it out for an Enemy Controller (to kill Spirit Reapers and such).

Good luck, guys.
 
Until recently I didn't like Pot of Avarice, but once you understand how to make the card playable it'll break the opponent. What a lot of people don't realize, that makes this broken, is that Pot of Avarice isn't restricted in any way. So in theory you could run 3. I don't agree with it, but its definitly an option. Also, we've been without Pot of Greed for months now, and (on some level) we've all forgotten how dangerous it was. Personally I think everyone is over hyping the card, but I do see and respect its power.
 
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