StRiKe_NiNjA
Dimension Shift Ninja
since skill drain can't negate the effect exiled force when tributed through the effect if skill drain was chained to it, could this be applied to wave motion cannon being tributed vs imperial order?
imperial order vs wave motion cannon
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Not likely. Since "Imperial Order" doesn't require a card to be face-up in the field to negate it.
I base this on the following posts:
Spell and Trap Card Effects are different from Monster Effects.
I base this on the following posts:
Spell and Trap Card Effects are different from Monster Effects.
Actually theres a few rulings on Wave-Motion Cannon that can help to clarifiy:
If I remeber correctly, costs can never be negated unless something specificaly negates cost effects.
And since the cost can't be negated, Imperial wouldn't negate the effect because it activates in the Graveyard. This is the way I've always played it and I've not run into any contradictions or complaints so far. But I have yet to see anything more official other than what I have gleened from the rulings.
If I remeber correctly, costs can never be negated unless something specificaly negates cost effects.
And since the cost can't be negated, Imperial wouldn't negate the effect because it activates in the Graveyard. This is the way I've always played it and I've not run into any contradictions or complaints so far. But I have yet to see anything more official other than what I have gleened from the rulings.
I'm not contradicting that you can't send "Wave Motion Cannon" to the Graveyard if "Imperial Order" is active. In fact you can send WMC, but the inflicting part will be negated because of IO.Digital Jedi said:
In addition, I don't think WMC activates in the Graveyard, it's effect is still on the field, after it got sent to the Graveyard, that is why IO negates its inflict Life Point damage.
I could be wrong on this too, since I've been giving bad ruling lately
Wave-Motion Cannon is activated on the field, exactly the same way Cannon Soldier's effect works.
The reason you cannot chain Magic Jammer or Dark Paladin's effect is because they can only be chained to Card Activation not Effect Activation.
Imperial Order will not stop you from activating WMC's effect and sending it to the Graveyard. However, once the effect tries to resolve, if IO is still activate it will be negated.
All it requires is that the effect be activated on the field, what happens to the card afterwards is irrelevent.
Hmmm. Wouldn't Imperial be unable to negate the Cannon because it activates in the Graveyard.novastar said:
So this is different from monster effects that activate activate in the Graveyard? I've been hearing a lot more about the effect of Spells/Traps remaining on the field as oppossed to monster effects. That is kinda confusing.
Digital Jedi said:
"Send this card on the field to the Graveyard during your Main Phase."
That is a cost... for an effect that can only be activated when WMC is face-up on the field.
This game has Zones...
- WMC's effect is activated in the Field Zone (by Sending it itself as cost).
- IO only negates effects that are activated or exist in the Field Zone.
So, IO negates WMC's effect.
Hope that helps
Digital Jedi said:
Just think of it in terms of Cannon Soldier tributing itself, the idea is the same for WMC, its only the wording of "Send" vs. "Tribute" as they are really effectively the same thing or action. Both effects are activated on the field.
The real difference here is that Skill Drain and Imperial Order operate differently, and Monster Effects operate differently from Spell/Trap Effects.
Skill Drain must actually see the Effect Monster face-up on the field in order to negate the effect, IO does not have to see the Magic/Spell face-up on the field...
"Send this card on the field . . ."novastar said:
I missed that. Makes a bit of difference. I run a Stall Deck built exclusivly around Wave-Motion so I was a little concerned. But actually, I like it. You can keep paying for Imperial if you want to. I'll just keep counting Stanby Phases.
chaosruler
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hey, just think of WMC as sort of, and I use that term VERY loosely, a lingering effect. You send it off, then it's effect lingers trying to resolve, but IO stops this, and also, I don't think you count turns while IO is active (hammer me on this if I'm wrong, anyone)
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Consider yourself Hammered. (What a minute. That doesn't sound right. )
Wave-Motion counts the number of Standby Phases that have passed since activation. It doesn't recieve counters or anything like that. The number of Standby Phases dont change just because Imperial's on the field.
) Wave-Motion counts the number of Standby Phases that have passed since activation. It doesn't recieve counters or anything like that. The number of Standby Phases dont change just because Imperial's on the field.
chaosruler
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Oh yeah, oops
I even had to rule on that once, and I ruled it correctly, what was I thinking?
(attempts to remove foot from mouth) lol
-chaosruler
I even had to rule on that once, and I ruled it correctly, what was I thinking?
(attempts to remove foot from mouth) lol
-chaosruler
I don't think this would work, obviously, with WMC's dealing damage being a "cost", but yet again, card wording has led me to asking another question...
Could it possibly be abused during your Main Phase by Emergency Provisions, since the text on Emergency Provisions says "send", the same as on WMC?
Could it possibly be abused during your Main Phase by Emergency Provisions, since the text on Emergency Provisions says "send", the same as on WMC?
daivahataka
Gold Member
No, as WMC has to be sent to the graveyard via its own effect, not that of another card, in order to inflict the damage.CraniumX said:
masterwoo0
NINJA4LIFE
Imperial Order cannot negate cost, but it can negate effects.
While IO is active, you only count turns that WMC has been on the field. IO does not prevent you from sending WMC to the Graveyard (due to it being a cost), but it stops the damage that the "effect" creates.
While IO is active, you only count turns that WMC has been on the field. IO does not prevent you from sending WMC to the Graveyard (due to it being a cost), but it stops the damage that the "effect" creates.