Infinite Loops

[Richard Ziggler]

Pardon my ignorance on this matter, I haven't yet actually faced one of these before until quite recently. I am having trouble finding out what exactly the ruling upon an Infinite Loop would be during a Tournament.

Is there a policy inreguards to such a thing because I haven't I am affraid been able to find such a resource to find out this answer.

 

[Dragon Reaver]

I think that it is against the rules to start an infinite loop. Now if one gets started I don't know what to do.

 

[blade146]

This depends on the loop in question. If it a loop like Manticore and Card of Safe Return. You show the process once then say how many times you are doing it.

If its a loop like Jinzo, Imperial Order, Amplifier then the card that causes the loop can not be activated.

 

[John Danker]

In the game of Yugioh there is no such thing as an infinate loop, that is to say, there are possibilities but it is considered an illegal activation to play a card that would cause one. If a card would cause a repetitive effect the player is to demostrate the effect once and then declare the number of times the player wishes to repeat the effect.

 

[Richard Ziggler]

Alright, Thanks for the replies. That really helped to gander such possbilities of it happening again which I dont it doesn't because it was just very very silly indeed.


Thanks for your time.

 

[squid]

I can't recall offhand, but does that include the action of draw effects when both players have face up Appropriate trap cards on the field? Or would that be considered a legal finite loop, since it will eventually result in a deckout?

 

[densetsu_x]

That is only finate because as you said, someone will deck out first.

 

[squid]

geez Louise! You are fast, today. Thanks

 

[masterwoo0]

That would be rather fun to watch. But you could still activate the effect of a Quick-Play or Trap Card to destroy or negate Appropriate, and if you happen to have cards like Needle Worm or Morphing Jar along with Night Assailant in your hand you could deck your opponent out without causing it to happen to yourself also.

 

[densetsu_x]

Actually, if the double "Appropriate" loop activates, both players would be stuck since it doesn't use the chain. You'd have to find a way to destroy/negate it before the loop occurs. And since both players would be drawing, I'm not sure how the cards you mentioned would help you unless you meant by using their effects to make sure your opponent has less cards than you to start with before the loop hit.

 

[squid]

well, whatever effect started the drawing effect, say Pot of Greed, could be chained to with a simple MST, targeting either of the Appropriate trap cards, thereby stopping the loop.

Question: If, (again) MST, is not in hand when the loop begins, but is drawn out by the effect of the Turn Player's Appropriate, can the Turn Player activate at any point that MST, or has the damage been done/point of no return?

 

[densetsu_x]

Since "Appropriate" doesn't use the chain, you will not get the chance to activate MST.

 

[daivahataka]

well, whatever effect started the drawing effect, say Pot of Greed, could be chained to with a simple MST, targeting either of the Appropriate trap cards, thereby stopping the loop.

Question: If, (again) MST, is not in hand when the loop begins, but is drawn out by the effect of the Turn Player's Appropriate, can the Turn Player activate at any point that MST, or has the damage been done/point of no return?

Nope, as mentioned above Appropriate doesn't use the chain so the loop doesn't feature any gaps (response points) to allow a response with any cards you might draw.

Doh! Beaten by Densetsu x!

 

[densetsu_x]

Actually, just thought about it. There is 1 exception that will let you interrupt the drawing loop: If you draw all 5 Pieces of Exodia (since you aren't in the middle of an effect resolving) you would win.

 

[squid]

Wait. I understand not being able to chain when MST is drawn via Appropriate.

But, if my Pot of Greed is activated while Appropriate is on the field, and I have MST in hand, I still cannot chain with MST to PoG, and destroy the trap?

 

[daivahataka]

Wait. I understand not being able to chain when MST is drawn via Appropriate.

But, if my Pot of Greed is activated while Appropriate is on the field, and I have MST in hand, I still cannot chain with MST to PoG, and destroy the trap?

This you can do since PoG won't cause you to draw until it resolves and the chain cannot resolve until both players agree that it's complete. After PoG has resolved however the loop for Appropriate will begin and there'll be nothing (bar Exodia, well spotted! ) that can stop it.

 

[squid]

oh, ok *whew* you had me confused for a second. I get the "un-chainability" after the effect had resolved.

We really need more Exodia kinds of effects. FINAL just isnt enough. (though loads of fun!)

 

[masterwoo0]

Actually, if the double "Appropriate" loop activates, both players would be stuck since it doesn't use the chain. You'd have to find a way to destroy/negate it before the loop occurs. And since both players would be drawing, I'm not sure how the cards you mentioned would help you unless you meant by using their effects to make sure your opponent has less cards than you to start with before the loop hit.

That's pretty much what I meant.