IRS/last will timing?

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Gutterpuppy

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just to make sure i don't incorrectly use the combo, would inferno reckless summon have to be chained right as last will is played? or do i have the option of playing last will and waiting until i activate its effect before deceiding to chain IRS?

i'm sure there are a couple other scineros between these 2 cards i could bring up, but lets just go with this for now.....
 
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The timing for Inferno Reckless Summon is the same as for cards like Bottomless Trap Hole, when responding to a Special Summon. You must wait for the Special Summon to resolve before you can respond to it. You cannot chain to the card that Special Summons, because no summon has occurred as of yet. So you'd have to wait until Last Will actually Special Summoned something, follow the rules of priority and then activate IRS in response.
 
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Gutterpuppy said:
just to make sure i don't incorrectly use the combo, would inferno reckless summon have to be chained right as last will is played? or do i have the option of playing last will and waiting until i activate its effect before deceiding to chain IRS?

i'm sure there are a couple other scineros between these 2 cards i could bring up, but lets just go with this for now.....
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Last Will would have to resolve and special summon a monster before you have the ability to activate the effect of Inferno Reckless Summon. IRS cannot be activated UNTIL a monster is special summoned from the graveyard, not just the "intention" to perform the special summon. Your opponent also has the ability to respond to both card effects before any monsters resolve fully on the field.
 
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ok cool, so just to help make this crystal clear, i throw out this scinerio:

i play last will in main phase one. in battle phes i suicide a tomato for, lets say, newdoria. then i choose to resolve last will by special summoning goblin king. upon goblin kings summon i can chain IRS and contine my battle phase correct?
 
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That scenario will work out just fine, except for one thing. You can't 'chain' to the Special Summon of a monster. You can 'respond'. So to 'correct' your scenario simply say that you respond with IRS and continue the Battle Phase.
 
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Not to complicate it, but to clarify it, there would be no chain to the summon. But in the event the summoning player has an effect activate upon summoning, IRS would, in fact, be chained to that effect, but in responce to the summon. Mechanics and all that stuff. ;) But summons themselves are unchainable.
 
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Digital Jedi said:
Not to complicate it, but to clarify it, there would be no chain to the summon. But in the event the summoning player has an effect activate upon summoning, IRS would, in fact, be chained to that effect, but in responce to the summon. Mechanics and all that stuff. ;) But summons themselves are unchainable.
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I think that was the terminology he was shooting for. I'm thinking he meant to activate the effect of IRS AFTER the monster is Special Summoned and fully on the field. If the opponent doesn't respond to the special summon, then he can activate, not chain, the effect of IRS, special summon other Goblin Kings and continue his battle phase- But only AFTER the opponent is allowed to respond to the resolution of IRS and the monsters being FULLY on the field.
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HorusMaster said:
I think that was the terminology he was shooting for. I'm thinking he meant to activate the effect of IRS AFTER the monster is Special Summoned and fully on the field. If the opponent doesn't respond to the special summon, then he can activate, not chain, the effect of IRS, special summon other Goblin Kings and continue his battle phase- But only AFTER the opponent is allowed to respond to the resolution of IRS and the monsters being FULLY on the field.
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Actually, the turn player, who summoned the monster, would have the right to activate IRS before the opponent would be given any opportunity to respond to the summon (save for Fairy-tale cards). Priority and such.
 
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Jason_C said:
Actually, the turn player, who summoned the monster, would have the right to activate IRS before the opponent would be given any opportunity to respond to the summon (save for Fairy-tale cards). Priority and such.
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I disagree...if you special summon a monster with Premature or Call of the Haunted and I Bottomless Trap Hole the monster or destroy the S/T card, then there is no monster on the field for IRS to reference for the special summon.
 
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Well depending on who's Priority book you read from, you will get a different answer.

If you go by the trend thats currently in place, the resolution of Premature/Call would give the Opponent priority first.

But regardless of that, you could chain IRS to Bottomless, and still Special Summon, before the summoned monster is destroyed.
 
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anthonyj said:
I thought that Priority always went to the Turn Player after a summon. Has that changed again?
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There's this debate about how if it's after a summon, Turn player gets it, BUT, if it's after a card's resolution, opponent gets it. The question becomes: If a card resolves that special summons a monster (Premature Burial, for example), does the TP get priority to respond to the summon, or does the NTP get priority to respond to chain resolution?

In my book, it will always default back to the TP no matter what. But some people have argued that NTP should get to respond to chain resolution with a response chain. Personally, I'm not sure what the evidence for that is. But until we get a REAL explanation of priority (which obviously is never actually coming), I can't disprove what they're saying.
 
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I really don't see the difference between [Premature Burial] resolving and say [Snatch Steal]... a resolution is a resolution, in terms of a mechanic like Priority.

At this point im not going to say i am for or against any one theory to avoid debate, because we've beaten it to death. Personally, i could care less which way it swings, just as long as it's consistant across the board.

To say that a "special" case occurs with an effect that Special Summons (or at least that it's the last thing to happen) seems rather makeshift at best on UDE's part.

I do realize Konami has been resistant to expand on Priority beyond actual summons from Hand, but for officials to start putting out guesses and makeshift mechanics that only confuse the issue, is irresponsible.
 
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The way I see it, this is just something that has been in my mind for a while that is, things like "Snatch Steal" and "Premature Burial" (as novastar mentioned the comparison), is that a clear definition of what a resolution ends up with is really what we need.

A summon has no spell speed therefore unchainable this we all know, but let's say for the heck of it we use Ultimate Offering's effect to summon a monster, the effect can be chained to BUT the summon still has no spell speed therefore giving priority to the turn player to respond to the summon, though it was still his Ultimate Offering's effect that was used.

Quite complicated, but I do feel that what determines a lot of small issues about priority depends on what the final resolution of the chain ends up.
 
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skey23 said:
The Turn Player retains Priority after a Summon......any Summon.
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But the summon HAS to resolve before the Turn Player can retain and exercise priority. My last statement was vague at best but my intended thought was that the NTP had the right to respond to Premature Burial or Call of the Haunted BEFORE IRS was chained to it's effect and special summon the monsters. The TP CANNOT exercise priority of chaining IRS to a card effect BEFORE the NTP responds to the chain. Sorry for the confusion on that part.

Yes, it has been beaten to death and UNTIL Konami/UDE decide priority for TP/NTP, we won't have a definitive answer as to situations that arise because of card effects like these. It still needs to be up to the judges at events to make a reasonable and fair decision based on the information that has been provided in rulings thus far. (my 2 cents worth)
 
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Ok, I don't know what's got everybody confused with this. This is really very simple.

As I stated before, the Turn Player has Priority after ANY Summon. It does not matter that it was via an effect or not.

You use "Premature Burial", the opponent can chain to this. If they don't, then it resolves and the monster is Special Summoned. At this point, what is the last thing to have happened in the Game? A Special Summon, so the Turn Player has Priority to respond to that Special Summon first.
 
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skey23 said:
Ok, I don't know what's got everybody confused with this. This is really very simple.

As I stated before, the Turn Player has Priority after ANY Summon. It does not matter that it was via an effect or not.

You use "Premature Burial", the opponent can chain to this. If they don't, then it resolves and the monster is Special Summoned. At this point, what is the last thing to have happened in the Game? A Special Summon, so the Turn Player has Priority to respond to that Special Summon first.
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I agree with it, but the other possibility states that the last thing to resolve could be the chain effect. You know like saying that Premature Burial has finished resolving (regardless of it ending up in a summon).

Which is what the whole situation revolves around, saying that the resolution of an effect like those that summon a monster are individually separated from the summon itself.

Premature Burial -> is activated and resolved succesfully

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1. The last thing to happen is the chain ending and effect resolving.

--- < could there be a response timing here or not > ---

2. The summon of a monster.

--- < summon response timing > ---
 
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skey23 said:
Ok, I don't know what's got everybody confused with this. This is really very simple.

As I stated before, the Turn Player has Priority after ANY Summon. It does not matter that it was via an effect or not.

You use "Premature Burial", the opponent can chain to this. If they don't, then it resolves and the monster is Special Summoned. At this point, what is the last thing to have happened in the Game? A Special Summon, so the Turn Player has Priority to respond to that Special Summon first.
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But the priority is DEPENDENT on the effect of Premature Burial resolving. If I chain Dust Tornando or MST to the activation Premature at the time that the TP activates the effect of the card, then NO MONSTER is special summoned and TP CANNOT chain IRS to either of my cards. There is no monster special summoned to the field and as such, IRS resolves WITHOUT ANY monsters being special summoned. That's the point I'm trying to make. The TP cannot activate a S/T card that special summons a monster and CLAIM priority for another link in the chain because he's summoning a monster.
 
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