Is Demise/Dozer OTK deck dead?

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drzero7

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The new banlist of 9/1/07 makes Metamorphosis banned and Megamorph 1x.

You can STILL run Demise + Dozer, but without those two cards, it doesn't push for 8000+LP damage for game. It's at most 5200LP. Where they gunna get another 2800 Damage? (Not even normal summoning Insect Knight is gunna help. And no Ring makes this even harder) And you can say goodbye to a possible Limiter Removal I've seen in some Demise OTK (For Cyber Twin boost of course, which is now impossible) Although the next turn of Brain/Snatch your own Demise/Dozer/Cyber Twin for punishing won't be likely anymore, but still, Demise deck is SUPPOSE to be an OTK.

I'm saying, you can STILL play it, but it won't be OTK likely.

However, for Demise decks, Confisation being banned and both Mind Crush and Trap Dustshoot being 1x per deck REALLY helps out. Although 2x Royal Decree is a bad thing for them. (There's still BTH, Pulling the Rug, Solemn, Curse Seal, etc. although no Ring)
 
I think Demise is the forgotten deck-type that should do well back in its rogue status and catch people off guard. Unless someone is maining a good stock of Counter Traps, they will be hard pressed to stop it.
 
drzero7 said:
The new banlist of 9/1/07 makes Metamorphosis banned and Megamorph 1x.

You can STILL run Demise + Dozer, but without those two cards, it doesn't push for 8000+LP damage for game. It's at most 5200LP. Where they gunna get another 2800 Damage? (Not even normal summoning Insect Knight is gunna help. And no Ring makes this even harder) And you can say goodbye to a possible Limiter Removal I've seen in some Demise OTK (For Cyber Twin boost of course, which is now impossible) Although the next turn of Brain/Snatch your own Demise/Dozer/Cyber Twin for punishing won't be likely anymore, but still, Demise deck is SUPPOSE to be an OTK.
I'm saying, you can STILL play it, but it won't be OTK likely.
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Uhhh...summon Demise with ARA, pay 2000 lps, special summon Doom Dozer, equip with Megamorph (provided your LPs are lower after paying) and I think that equals 8000 right there.
Demise= 2400
Doom Dozer w/ Megamorph= 2800 X 2= 5600
Total= 8000

Maybe someone else figured it with that "new age" math....
 
You read my post Horusmaster? Megamorph is 1x per deck.... That's 1 out of 40. You have to run like Gold S or Blacksmith Kotetsu to search that thing.

It dropped from 5x potential OTKable equip cards (2x Meta + 3x Mega) to just 1x OTKable equip cards.
 
drzero7 said:
You read my post Horusmaster? Megamorph is 1x per deck.... That's 1 out of 40. You have to run like Gold S or Blacksmith Kotetsu to search that thing.

It dropped from 5x potential OTKable equip cards (2x Meta + 3x Mega) to just 1x OTKable equip cards.
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Uh, yeah I read it....
drzero7 said:
You can STILL run Demise + Dozer, but without those two cards, it doesn't push for 8000+LP damage for game. It's at most 5200LP. Where they gunna get another 2800 Damage?
Look familiar? That's the reason for my post. I understand the 1:40 ratio but it still doesn't negate the opportunity for the OTK. Your statement said at most 5200LP. That's where the disagreement comes in.
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Why don't we go the whole way and throw in a Rising Energy, Mask of Brutality (remember that card?), etc.? Heck, how about a Weather Report OTK? That'd be really cool if done correctly.

Okay, I'll shut up now.
 
"You can STILL run Demise + Dozer, but without those two cards, it doesn't push for 8000+LP damage for game. It's at most 5200LP. Where they gunna get another 2800 Damage? (Not even normal summoning Insect Knight is gunna help. And no Ring makes this even harder)"

ceasefire and magic cylinder, anyone? :D

edit: AND, there's always Dimension Fusion
 
The Demise Deck I ran right from the start included:
Flying Kamakiri #1 x3
Neo-Spacian Air Hummingbird x1 (one of the best first turn plays you could make with this deck)
Gene-Warped Warwolf x3
Gigantes x2-3
Dimension Wall x3
Magic Cylinder x1

The normal Insect Knights, but only Manju, so Senju or Bird, since super-speed wasn't the goal.

This list just makes this one even better, it was hybrid Demise/Beatdown, and didn't require having Metamorphosis or Megamorph in hand to win, it just made the OTK easier with them. For a while I even flirted with 1-2 Iron Blacksmith Kotetsu, since it can also grab Premature Burial, (and at the time Snatch Steal), which isn't a bad choice.
 
CraniumX said:
The Demise Deck I ran right from the start included:
Flying Kamakiri #1 x3
Neo-Spacian Air Hummingbird x1 (one of the best first turn plays you could make with this deck)
Gene-Warped Warwolf x3
Gigantes x2-3
Dimension Wall x3
Magic Cylinder x1

The normal Insect Knights, but only Manju, so Senju or Bird, since super-speed wasn't the goal.

This list just makes this one even better, it was hybrid Demise/Beatdown, and didn't require having Metamorphosis or Megamorph in hand to win, it just made the OTK easier with them. For a while I even flirted with 1-2 Iron Blacksmith Kotetsu, since it can also grab Premature Burial, (and at the time Snatch Steal), which isn't a bad choice.
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mmm u know with some Desert Twisters and a Dimension Fusion, you could have some extra otk potential on your hands..=D

there's all sorts of ways to give the deck an extra otk boost..United We Stand, getting multiple demises and ara in hand, mage power, magic cylinder and ceasefire, 3x dimension wall, this deck is FAR from dead... :D
 
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