[judge-yu] [Judge!] exodia win conditions

[UDEbot]

I haven't seen this anywhere. I have done this many times because there's nothing
that says anything about this.

Chazz has all 5 pieces of exodia in his hand but is holding onto them for fun

Jaden is the turn player he activates card destruction

Chazz says: wait i use exodia the forbbiden one's instant win ability

so would Chazz win or would card destruction discard all of the exodia pieces
stopping the instant win.

thank you

cody christensen
lvl 1 yugioh judge

Text of Exodia the Forbidden One:
"When you have "Right Leg of the Forbidden One", "Left Leg of the Forbidden One",
"Right Arm of the Forbidden One" and "Left Arm of the Forbidden One" in addition
to this card in your hand, you win the Duel."

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Response:

Let's look at what this player is doing:
They have all 5 parts of Exodia in their hand. This is a win condition in the Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG, and when a player wins the game is ended.

But they are not declaring the victory as they should. Instead, they are needlessly carrying on the game. In a timed event, this behavior would "run out the clock" and lessen the amount of time their opponent will have to try and win the following game(s).


With these issues in mind, a Game Loss would be a reasonable penalty to apply.


We issue the game loss because:
1. Declaring victory with Exodia is a rule of the game.
2. The player in question is exhibiting extremely poor sportsmanship.


This behavior should be not be tolerated.


But this penalty shouldn't be immediate for all levels of play. Inexperienced players at low-levels of tournament play may simply not realize the impact this behavior has on the game. For them, it may not be in your best interest as a Judge to issue the harshest penalty possible. For these players, a stern warning with an explanation of why this behavior cannot be tolerated may well suffice to prevent the behavior from occuring again and should be considered.


Remember that, as Judges, we are both enforcers of the rules AND educators.

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[lucius]

exdeclaring a win with exodia

i have a question thats deals with exodia. if player A is able to complete the five pieces of exodia on player B's turn, can player A declare the win without being his turn? thanks for the help.

 

[John Danker]

Yes, on either player's turn.

 

[OKShadow]

I agree with John and have the example to show for it:

Player A starts opening hand with 4 parts (head and 3 limbs) and sets Emissary of the Afterlife. Player B summons a monster and attacks Emissary killing it. Emissary's effect allows Player A to bring the 5th piece to his hand declaring victory during Player B's Battle Phase. (This actually happened in a tournament, completely legit too. Player "A" went 2-0 against Player "B" in a total of about 6 turns for the entire match lol)

 

[jupiter]

but theres still one thing they didnt comment on. what happens if say it was top 8 where it might not have a time limit and therefore you are not time wasting.

i know exodia must be declared but that rule was only enforced for timed rounds.

:S

 

[masterwoo0]

but theres still one thing they didnt comment on. what happens if say it was top 8 where it might not have a time limit and therefore you are not time wasting.

i know exodia must be declared but that rule was only enforced for timed rounds.

:S

The part about it being unsportsmanlike conduct hasn't been affected by time, has it? As well as the part about it being a game rule that you MUST declare victory when you have all five pieces, so that would also be a Procedural Penalty.

The way I see it, you can call it a game loss in 2 minutes, just as well as you can in 90....

 

[xX$CaRd$TrOoPeR$Xx]

Exodia's effect is mandatory.
Meaning if you have the five peices in your hand and your opponent plays Trap Dustshoot (or any card with a see your opponents hand effect) you'll get a game loss.

 

[roadhouse007]

Thanks for clearing that up. Even though this thread has been dead for some time.


And also, welcome to the city. You should do an intro thread in the intro/farewell section. One more member to the growing community!

 

[John Danker]

Exodia's effect is mandatory.
Meaning if you have the five peices in your hand and your opponent plays Trap Dustshoot (or any card with a see your opponents hand effect) you'll get a game loss.

I'm not quite sure exactly what you mean here but I'm guessing that you're saying that the player who has the 5 pcs. of Exodia in their hand will get a game loss? I'd say that's for the judge to decide after some investigation into the surrounding circumstances. If indeed the player was intentionally stalling play then the penalty wouldn't be a game loss, intentional stalling is cheating and the penalty is disqualification from the tournament.

 

[krishna]

I wanted to say that if the game was between two friends who were having a friendly game, then he still probably should have informed his friend that he had all 5 pieces in his hand, but that he wished to keep going to see what would happen.

As for in a tournament, if a player holds onto exodia and does not declair victory, but then wishes to once their opponent plays card destruction or something similar, that is the same as someone having the full potential to attack and reduce someone's LP to 0, and NOT doing it simply because he wants to see what his opponent would do, and then losing the next turn because his opponent got Exodia (or something else). You should always declair that you win, before deciding to "continue" for the sake of continuing.

Of course it's up to the judjes to deturmine what should happen in a situation like this.

I would just explain that you can't declair victory in the middle of a card effect, and since Card Destruction is resolving, it's tough luck for him/her.