Kuriboh vs Injection Fairy Lily

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drzero7

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When does Kuriboh's hand discard effect activate? Like can it be activated during damage step?

Like say I have a blank field and my foe have Lily on his field and he attacks me directly. Do I have to discard Kuriboh before he uses it's "pay 2000LP during damage step" or can I discard Kuriboh after he pumped Lily to 3400ATK?
 
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You activate the effect after damage calculation to negate the damage, so yes, it will occur after they have paid for "Injection Fairy Lily's" effect.
 
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UDE FAQ said:
"Kuriboh" is activated during damage calculation. If your opponent attacks with "Injection Fairy Lily" and activates her effect, you can chain "Kuriboh" to reduce the damage to zero.
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I don't think that's the same thing as what Kyhotae said....lol....:p
 
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OK, in defense of Kyhotae, the effect of Kuriboh is applied in a later substep of Damage Step than the effect of Injection Fairy Lily. In fact, the UDE FAQ statement is not entirely accurate because in reality, Kuriboh is NOT chained to the effect of IFL. It's effect is separate and occurs in Substep 4: Apply Damage, which is after Substep 3: Calculate Damage where Injection Fairy Lily applies her effect.

Kyhotae's original statement is entirely accurate!
Kyhotae said:
You activate the effect after damage calculation to negate the damage, so yes, it will occur after they have paid for "Injection Fairy Lily's" effect.
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Isn't this SOME FUN NOW!!!!!!!! :)

skey23 said:
Say it ain't so! UDEs FAQ was incorrect! I have been lead astray!

Curses! Foiled again!
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I am SHOCKED! :eek:ldeek I NEVER though it could happen, them incorrect/misleading????

LoL. However in defence to all! I just looked on UDE's site and the "NEW" rulebook and FAQ's and could NOT find any mention of "substeps" :weird

So it is in the "Damage Step" ! Which the "Substeps" are a part of; HOWEVER, how can that be if there is no substep mentioned on the site?? :dur

HOWEVER,
UDE FAQ is quoted to have said:
"Kuriboh" is activated during damage calculation. If your opponent attacks with "Injection Fairy Lily" and activates her effect, you can chain "Kuriboh" to reduce the damage to zero.
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Isn't damage calculation a "SUBSTEP"???? :huh

I have a headache!

HeHe, PLEASE laugh :D

HorusMaster said:
....and sex! Rather be close to having sex than getting blown up by a hand grenade...just my opinion...lol
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HOWEVER, having had this, CLOSE does NOT count! :nod_no


skey23 said:
But close only counts in Horse Shoes and Hand Grenades.....
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Soooooo, and H-Bombs! You can miss a FEW feet with these I think! Maybe?? Hmmmmmm :huh


However, lets just have a :eek:rcBeer ! Things will feel better after that!! :eek:rc1:

PS, I think I fount the smilies! :woot
 
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Digital Jedi said:
The substeps are in Kevin's Damage Step chart. Kevin only refers to them as additional steps within steps. By definition, that is a sub-step.

http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=1757
http://www.cogonline.net/threads.6503
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I know, I was bord and having fun. I REALLY appreceate the links, I had seen the chart and could not find it again. What was the short cut to save a link? :-:

PS: Reimber, the "Judges list" is not official, or is it?? I love the arguments. Only Knomi is official; WHY, BKSS!
:bkss
 
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Yeah, we've been down that road before. <shudder>

Nevertheless, as unofficial as the Judges List may be, its still the source of information Konami put into place as the final word on such matters. So it is official and it isn't. Thats kinda like saying the police are not the law, but they can still shoot you if you break it. :dur
 
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ygo doc said:
OK, in defense of Kyhotae, the effect of Kuriboh is applied in a later substep of Damage Step than the effect of Injection Fairy Lily. In fact, the UDE FAQ statement is not entirely accurate because in reality, Kuriboh is NOT chained to the effect of IFL. It's effect is separate and occurs in Substep 4: Apply Damage, which is after Substep 3: Calculate Damage where Injection Fairy Lily applies her effect.

Kyhotae's original statement is entirely accurate!

doc
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Player A has 1000 Life points.
Player B attacks directly with a monster (greater than 1000 ATK)

If kuriboh is activated in Sub-Step 4: player B will win the game, because damage will be inflicted before s/he can activate kuriboh to reduce it to zero.

Sub-step 3 is the last opportunity to activate effects before damage is inflicted.

The FAQ is correct, Kuriboh chains to Injection Fairy Lily.
 
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DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
Player A has 1000 Life points.
Player B attacks directly with a monster (greater than 1000 ATK)

If kuriboh is activated in Sub-Step 4: player B will win the game, because damage will be inflicted before s/he can activate kuriboh to reduce it to zero.

Sub-step 3 is the last opportunity to activate effects before damage is inflicted.

The FAQ is correct, Kuriboh chains to Injection Fairy Lily.
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Yes, you have to activate Kuribohs effect in sub-step 3. It doesn't do anything until sub-step 4 when damage is caculated. Effects can't be activated in step 4 but they can trigger.
 
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DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
Player A has 1000 Life points.
Player B attacks directly with a monster (greater than 1000 ATK)

If kuriboh is activated in Sub-Step 4: player B will win the game, because damage will be inflicted before s/he can activate kuriboh to reduce it to zero.

Sub-step 3 is the last opportunity to activate effects before damage is inflicted.

The FAQ is correct, Kuriboh chains to Injection Fairy Lily.
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Excuse me, but the effect of the card...?
Kuriboh said:
Effect Monster (Fiend / DARK / 1 Star / ATK 300 / DEF 200)
Discard this card from your hand. Make the Battle Damage inflicted to your Life Points by 1 of your opponent's monsters 0. You can only use this effect during your opponent's Battle Phase.
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How exactly are you supposed to make the battle damage inflicted 0 if no damage has been inflicted yet? That's why I posted what I did. I read the effect. In order to make battle damage something, you have to have battle damage in the first place. That doesn't occur until sub-step 4.
 
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Kyhotae said:
How exactly are you supposed to make the battle damage inflicted 0 if no damage has been inflicted yet?
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*cough*...."Barrel Behind the Door"...."Ring of Defense"...*cough*

Both of those 'stop' damage BEFORE it's inflicted.
 
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Kyhotae said:
Excuse me, but the effect of the card...?

How exactly are you supposed to make the battle damage inflicted 0 if no damage has been inflicted yet? That's why I posted what I did. I read the effect. In order to make battle damage something, you have to have battle damage in the first place. That doesn't occur until sub-step 4.
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Kuribohs effect lasts the entire attack. I can discard it in response to the attack and the effect still happens. It doesn't trigger until Sub-step 4 though.
 
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