Lerned a new one this weekend...

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John Danker

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I learned a new one this weekend at the Chicago SJC, I must have missed or overlooked the judge's list post a month or so ago....just thought I'd point it out to those who did the same...

http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=9024#9024

It's the first I'd heard of this practice of cutting your own deck after your opponent has shuffled it and handed it back to you. I don't have any feelings on it one way or the other...it's just the first I'd heard of it.
 
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John Danker said:
I learned a new one this weekend at the Chicago SJC, I must have missed or overlooked the judge's list post a month or so ago....just thought I'd point it out to those who did the same...

http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=9024#9024

It's the first I'd heard of this practice of cutting your own deck after your opponent has shuffled it and handed it back to you. I don't have any feelings on it one way or the other...it's just the first I'd heard of it.
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I didn't know this either. So I learened something too :)
 
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Aside from the person's bad spelling, I find his question lacking more information for Curtis to effectively answer it. Are we going under the assumption he asking during beginning where both players hand each other their own Decks for their opponent to shuffle and then return to them, or is this during an effect where both players shuffle their Decks? Then when your opponent is finished with their Deck, would you then reshuffle your Deck again?
 
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makes good sence to me actually.

cause some players are "really" good at shuffling and can really stack somebodies deck, so if you cut it afterwards then its still random aslong as you havent seen a single card in the deck.

and he just asked in general meaning at ANY time.
 
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Tiso said:
But then is, how are you stacking your opponent's Deck without looking at it?
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Where there's a will, there's a way.

I remember when that came out. It's overkill, but I guess its just another tool to make players comfortable....
 
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Trust me, some players are really good at using their eyes and knowing the angles.

You give me a deck, i bet you i can stack it preaty good. weather you belive im not looking at it, is the impression i want to give you. But in reality i know very well were most of the Threats will end up at.

both me and my brother have been finding methods of doing this. we first started with regular basic playing cards and shuffling in order to stack and get the cards we want during games like Texas Hold'em or even Black jack, we then moved on to Yugioh were we really got good at it. Its the reason why I always tell people to play what they have in their hand and not what is in their deck becuase they dont know what will come up.

If the deck is good no matter how bad the shuffle it got itll still do good.

Heck we do that even in magic to really fully test out our decks to see how good it in when ever we play against somebody that knows how to stack decks and so on and so forth.

No, i do not and have ever stacked somebodies deck during a tournament. My friend trained me to keep my eyes away from the deck and even close my eyes when ever i feel like look at the angles.
 
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So what happens then when you shuffle your deck, hand it to me, I shuffle it, return it to you. Then you cut it one last time, but then (me still being paranoid) I think you just set your deck when you cut it that last time? [/Devil's Advocate];)
 
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Oh, just make the whole game digital. Take your Deck into a Tournament, give it to an official who will program the Deck into an electronic chip and give it to you, and then you plug that chip into a Duel Station for duels. At the end, you give the chip back and get your Deck back. Easy.

The Duel Stations can't be too difficult to set up, either. You practically only need a computer with 2 screens and 2 USB ports, and a secure YVD-type program running on it. A much better idea, I think, and not just because it could log the Duel. And a lot more interesting, because computers could use some CG to make the cards animated.
 
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What if someone brings their own chip with their deck in it and a program which randomizes their deck just enough to look random but actually allows it to get more structured in their favour every time they search their deck. Hacking will run rampant upon the streets of yugioh and the world will come to an end.

the world of yugioh that is. not the actual one
 
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Chillout1984 said:
It has always been that way. This is the way I always ruled it :)
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It has always been this way? Really? Hmmm...that's news to me. Would you please show me in the policy documents, rule book, FAQ, or judge's list where this was stated before Curtis did in the link above?

It's certainly not in the UDE Tournament Policy Docutments, I've serached the judge's list (both of them) and the link I provided was the only mention of it, I've checked the old Yahoo Demo Team site, no mention of it there either. That pretty much runs me out of official resources....perhaps you have some I don't?
 
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EmeraldDragon said:
What if someone brings their own chip with their deck in it and a program which randomizes their deck just enough to look random but actually allows it to get more structured in their favour every time they search their deck. Hacking will run rampant upon the streets of yugioh and the world will come to an end.

the world of yugioh that is. not the actual one
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The chips would be specially encoded ones only available at said Tournaments (and supplied with the Duel Stations). They'd also have electronic tags that can be scanned for. Basically, you MUST return them afterwards, or you don't get your Deck back.

Well, it was an idea. Probability of anyone actually trying to do something like this? Zero. But it would be nice, don't you think?
 
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I got hit with this one at a Regional event a few months ago. I also did not know this, and I was Head Judging the event! One of my Judges brought this up and I thought he was just messing with me!..lol.

I figured out why I didn't know about it. This was one of those weird Judge List emails that didn't have any info on it when it got to my Inbox. All I got was the subject title, no question, no answer.

I normally didn't read the postings on the website, instead I read the ones that came into my Inbox. I have since stopped that practice and will only read the info on the website. I don't like not knowing when something has changed because of a glitch in the 'Matrix'...er..um..Judge List email system.
 
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John Danker said:
It has always been this way? Really? Hmmm...that's news to me. Would you please show me in the policy documents, rule book, FAQ, or judge's list where this was stated before Curtis did in the link above?

It's certainly not in the UDE Tournament Policy Docutments, I've serached the judge's list (both of them) and the link I provided was the only mention of it, I've checked the old Yahoo Demo Team site, no mention of it there either. That pretty much runs me out of official resources....perhaps you have some I don't?
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I don't know anymore where it stood (I read about it about 2 years or so ago). I believe it was in some of the old policy documents.
 
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Chillout1984 said:
I don't know anymore where it stood (I read about it about 2 years or so ago). I believe it was in some of the old policy documents.
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I see, I'll have to check those, I believe I still have some of the old ones around. Be wary though, only the most recent policy document is considered policy...and the current one does not state this practice.
 
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The most common form of stacking is repeated shuffling and cutting until you see what seems to be a valuable card left on the bottom of the deck.

Shuffling or Deck randomization should be done w/o seeing the bottom card, but there are always cheaters.

I used to play an Exodia deck with "Pharaoh's Treasure" and opponent's would always shuffle and cut to put that card or an Exodia piece on the bottom of the Deck. I resorted to flipping the card in the sleeve, rather than flipping the entire sleeve, which I allow in tournaments. Other cards such as "Parasitic Paracide" are even worse, unless both players have identical sleeves with identical wear. I have not had this come up at a big tournament such as Regionals or SJC.

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P.S. "Hi John"
 
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Last year at nationals, Dave Brent the head judge was showing us just how easily deck manipulation while shuffling could be done. He shuffled his deck 4 different times and we all agreed it was a good shuffle where everyone agreed randomization. He then proceeded to pull BLS off the top of the deck 3 out of the 4 times....the other time it was the next card.

I'm certainly not agaist this practice....It was just the first time I've seen it. On the converse side. If I have a sleeve that is slightly wider than the others, what's to stop me from using it to cut my deck for a specific card to be on top of my own deck?
 
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