The confusion I have seen resulting from the "Limiter Removal" ruling with "Heavy Mech Support Platform" brings to mind that many newer judges may not have seen these rulings.
What "Limiter Removal" does is "freeze" the ATK of a monster at a certain point, including all modifiers like Equip Spell Cards, into a new "base attack", of sorts. If you add a new modifier afterwards, it works off the new "base attack" and the new modifier is NOT doubled.
If a modifier used in the calculation for "Limiter Removal" that had helped to determine the "base attack" is removed, the "base attack" remains unchanged even though the modifier is gone.
This would include Equip Spell cards, Field Spell Cards, and monster effects.
Example 1:
"X-Head Cannon" is equipped with "Axe of Despair" (total ATK equals 2800)
"Limiter Removal" activates and resolves. "X-Head Cannon's" ATK then becomes 5600. (2800 X 2 = 5600)
The "X-Head Cannon" attacks the opponent, who responds by activating "Mystical Space Typhoon." They destroy "Axe of Despair."
The "X-Head Cannon's" ATK remains at 5600, even though "Axe of Despair" has been destroyed.
Example 2:
The turn player has 4 Sheep Tokens from a "Scapegoat" they activated during their opponent's turn. They summon "Cannon Soldier" and then activate "United We Stand" and equip it "Cannon Soldier":
1400 + (800 X 5) = 5400 ATK
"Limiter Removal" is activated and resolves. (5400 X 2= 10800 ATK)
--If "Mystical Space Typhoon" destroys "United We Stand," the "Cannon Soldier's" ATK will remain at 10800.
--- If "Cannon Soldier" were to tribute all 4 sheep tokens with its
effect, the attack will still remain at 10800.
You should keep in mind that an effect that increases/decreases a Machine-Type monster's ATK AFTER it has already been Limiter Removal-ed can still cause the machine to have its ATK become increased/decreased.
Example 3:
"X-Head Cannon" and "Heavy Mech Support Platform" are both face-up on the turn player's side of the field. They activate "Limiter Removal" and attack with each monster.
X-Head Cannon = 3600 ATK
Heavy Mech Support Platform = 1000 ATK
During Main Phase 2, the turn player uses HMSP's effect and equips it to "X-Head Cannon":
"X-Head Cannon's" new "base attack" = (1800 X 2) + 500 = 4100.
[The new +500 modifier is not doubled.]
During the End Phase, "Limiter Removal" tries to destroy "X-Head Cannon," but "X-Head Cannon" is saved by the effect of HMSP. HMSP is destroyed instead.
The "X-Head Cannon's" ATK is reduced to 3600.
So why didn't it keep the 4100 ATK? It did not keep it because HMSP was NOT a part of the ATK doubled by "Limiter Removal," so when it was removed the ATK boost was lost.
Example 4:
I control a "Cannon Soldier" that had its ATK double by "Limiter Removal to 2800. I attack with it and destroy my opponent's "Mystic Tomato." He then Special Summons "Dark Jeroid" with its effect. He can then lower the already Limiter Removaled Machine's attack by 800, taking "Cannon Soldier" down to 2000 ATK.
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Curtis Schultz
Official UDE Netrep
CurtisSchultz_Netrep@Hotmail.com
http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=2997#2997
What "Limiter Removal" does is "freeze" the ATK of a monster at a certain point, including all modifiers like Equip Spell Cards, into a new "base attack", of sorts. If you add a new modifier afterwards, it works off the new "base attack" and the new modifier is NOT doubled.
If a modifier used in the calculation for "Limiter Removal" that had helped to determine the "base attack" is removed, the "base attack" remains unchanged even though the modifier is gone.
This would include Equip Spell cards, Field Spell Cards, and monster effects.
Example 1:
"X-Head Cannon" is equipped with "Axe of Despair" (total ATK equals 2800)
"Limiter Removal" activates and resolves. "X-Head Cannon's" ATK then becomes 5600. (2800 X 2 = 5600)
The "X-Head Cannon" attacks the opponent, who responds by activating "Mystical Space Typhoon." They destroy "Axe of Despair."
The "X-Head Cannon's" ATK remains at 5600, even though "Axe of Despair" has been destroyed.
Example 2:
The turn player has 4 Sheep Tokens from a "Scapegoat" they activated during their opponent's turn. They summon "Cannon Soldier" and then activate "United We Stand" and equip it "Cannon Soldier":
1400 + (800 X 5) = 5400 ATK
"Limiter Removal" is activated and resolves. (5400 X 2= 10800 ATK)
--If "Mystical Space Typhoon" destroys "United We Stand," the "Cannon Soldier's" ATK will remain at 10800.
--- If "Cannon Soldier" were to tribute all 4 sheep tokens with its
effect, the attack will still remain at 10800.
You should keep in mind that an effect that increases/decreases a Machine-Type monster's ATK AFTER it has already been Limiter Removal-ed can still cause the machine to have its ATK become increased/decreased.
Example 3:
"X-Head Cannon" and "Heavy Mech Support Platform" are both face-up on the turn player's side of the field. They activate "Limiter Removal" and attack with each monster.
X-Head Cannon = 3600 ATK
Heavy Mech Support Platform = 1000 ATK
During Main Phase 2, the turn player uses HMSP's effect and equips it to "X-Head Cannon":
"X-Head Cannon's" new "base attack" = (1800 X 2) + 500 = 4100.
[The new +500 modifier is not doubled.]
During the End Phase, "Limiter Removal" tries to destroy "X-Head Cannon," but "X-Head Cannon" is saved by the effect of HMSP. HMSP is destroyed instead.
The "X-Head Cannon's" ATK is reduced to 3600.
So why didn't it keep the 4100 ATK? It did not keep it because HMSP was NOT a part of the ATK doubled by "Limiter Removal," so when it was removed the ATK boost was lost.
Example 4:
I control a "Cannon Soldier" that had its ATK double by "Limiter Removal to 2800. I attack with it and destroy my opponent's "Mystic Tomato." He then Special Summons "Dark Jeroid" with its effect. He can then lower the already Limiter Removaled Machine's attack by 800, taking "Cannon Soldier" down to 2000 ATK.
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Curtis Schultz
Official UDE Netrep
CurtisSchultz_Netrep@Hotmail.com
http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=2997#2997
