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Select 1 Type of monster. As long as this card remains on the field, all face-up Monster Cards will be treated as the Type you selected.

Limiter Removal
Double the ATK of all face-up Machine-Type
monsters that are on your side of the field when
you activate this card. During the End Phase,
destroy all Monster Cards that were affected by this
effect.

Injection Fairy Lily
This card's effect can be activated only during the Damage Step of either player's turn. Pay 2000 Life Points to increase the ATK of this monster by 3000 points only during the Damage Step.
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if lily is a machine i can make her attack 6800 with one
Limiter Removal ? :eek:
also i can save her with Book Of Moon from being destroyed.

or 6000 directly with Shooting Star Bow - Ceal.

i mean, because i can play limiter removal in damage step,
when i can activate lily's effect i can choose the order, right?
 
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You can do it, but you must be VERY mindful to the order in which things are activated.

Step 1 -> Limiter Remover
Step 2 -> IFL's effect (which you can only do because it is a multi-trigger effect).

So during the resolution, she would go from 400 -> 3400 first, and then LR would double it.

With Shooting Star Bow - Ceal, it would be 4800 direct. Why? Cause her ATK would be 400 - 1000 + 3000 = 2400 and then 4800 doubled.
 
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Guess? it seems like Lily cannot chain to Limiter, therefore Lily would always be link 1 in the Chain, forcing Limiter to become link 2, therefore resolving first.

Limiter would boost Lily to 800, then Lily's effect would resolve bringing you to a total of 3800 only.

Yes, you can save her with Book of Moon.

Based off my answer above, I would say that a Machine Lily equipped with Ceal would only attack directly for 3000. Limiter would again have resolved first, but since Ceal brought its base attack to 0, doubling that would be...0. Only thing left is Lily's own effect.
 
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densetsu_x said:
You can do it, but you must be VERY mindful to the order in which things are activated.

Step 1 -> Limiter Remover
Step 2 -> IFL's effect (which you can only do because it is a multi-trigger effect).

So during the resolution, she would go from 400 -> 3400 first, and then LR would double it.

With Shooting Star Bow - Ceal, it would be 4800 direct. Why? Cause her ATK would be 400 - 1000 + 3000 = 2400 and then 4800 doubled.
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Ill grant you more experience on the Limiter one.lol!

However, with Ceal, you cannot go below 0 attack. there are no negatives. So, 400-1000=0.

Since im seceding my answer from above, if you double Lily with Limiter, you would actually get to 6000.
 
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Redo the math. Attacks in the game cannot drop below 0 correct. However, the effect of Equip cards provide a constant modification. So once Lily activates her effect (as stated) you have

400 Base ATK
-1000 SS Bow - Ceal
3000 for IFL's effect

Grand total: 2400. Doubled will be 4800. You cannot just drop the -600 arbitrarily and it must be factored in when adding to the ATK/DEF.
 
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umm densetsu true the math would be 400 - 1000 + 3000.. however, since in the yu-gi-oh tcg there is no concept of negative numbers it still would be 3000 in the damage step since the normal attack of ifl equiped with ceal is zero. ifl n the damage step is a different gain of atk points and should be considered in the actually attack damage in the damage step.

look under sanga of thunder.

other than that nice combo..... and don't add tryce to it :)
 
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x3_9 said:
umm densetsu true the math would be 400 - 1000 + 3000.. however, since in the yu-gi-oh tcg there is no concept of negative numbers it still would be 3000 in the damage step since the normal attack of ifl equiped with ceal is zero. ifl n the damage step is a different gain of atk points and should be considered in the actually attack damage in the damage step.

look under Sanga of the Thunder.

other than that nice combo..... and don't add tryce to it :)
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There are too negative numbers. Negative numbers are treated as Zero, but it never forgets that its a negative.
2400 ATK is the prope answer.
 
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Sanga the Thunder SETS her base ATK to 0 to which 3000 is added. That is different than an equip card that has a -1000 modifier on the ATK. Without her effect, yes she is a 0 because the -600 becomes 0. However when she does use her effect, the -1000 modifier is still there along with the 3000 modifier for her effect and her 400 base. You cannot simply discard the numbers.
 
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densetsu_x said:
Redo the math. Attacks in the game cannot drop below 0 correct. However, the effect of Equip cards provide a constant modification. So once Lily activates her effect (as stated) you have

400 Base ATK
-1000 SS Bow - Ceal
3000 for IFL's effect

Grand total: 2400. Doubled will be 4800. You cannot just drop the -600 arbitrarily and it must be factored in when adding to the ATK/DEF.
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effect of Equip Cards provide a constant modification..
effect of Equip Cards provide a constant modification..
effect of Equip Cards provide a constant modification..

Im going to have to write that 100 times on a piece of paper, aren't I? Oh, well. *goes to put another check in the 'wrong' column*
 
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man ude needs to rework out that ruling cause thats a serious issue because that logic is flawed to me.
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The basic rule is that when a monster's ATK/DEF are reduced below 0 that they are considered zero for the purpose of Damage Calculation. But the negative value are always used for the purpose of adding or subtracting back on to the monster. This is a Game Mechanic that exists in other games as well including the Vs. System.
 
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Because it was ruled that you coud only use it once per battle to avoid that sort of thing most likely:

You can activate this card's effect during both players' Damage Steps, at damage calculation. You can activate it only once per Damage Step, but if "Injection Fairy Lily" is involved in multiple battles in the same turn, you can activate it once during each battle.
 
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