Missing the Timing - Optional Trigger Effects

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WarriorKing007

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wow. i am really surprised at the fact that all these new rules keep popping out like this. soon i wont know if its safe to do anything anymore cause the rules might have changed. i was just at the sneak-preview for Cybernetic Rev. and i heard about the missed timing of opt. trigg. effect monsters, such as TIV and BLS-EotB. this sux. the website says that it was posted in JUNE, but when i was at regionals in JULY, the level 3 judges were going by PRIORITY when optional trigger effect monsters were summoned. the rule was that if you didnt call priority, you didnt get it. I understood that and thats the way i played. i was told though by some level 1 judges that we couldnt do that, but this sounds like a load of crap. i would like some feedback from a level 3 judge about this. I checked out the UDE site and again, just like the problem with TT used on sets, it came back to the website. I would like to still know if priority still works for opt. trigger effect monsters or is the website right again?!?! thank you.
 
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The player does not have priority to activate an optional trigger effect.

When an optional trigger effect has the timing to start a chain (or sometimes chain to if there are other trigger effect) the player must decide "Yes" or "No" to activate its effect. The game cannot go on until a decision is made.
 
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I dont know what they were going on then if BLS and tribe arent trigger effects. let me just say this about the judges in Spokane that headed up the sneak preview of CRV...they were level one.
 
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DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
The player does not have priority to activate an optional trigger effect.

When an optional trigger effect has the timing to start a chain (or sometimes chain to if there are other trigger effect) the player must decide "Yes" or "No" to activate its effect. The game cannot go on until a decision is made.
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I'm pretty sure thats how it is in VS System. However, it does not work that way in YuGiOh.

Remember, if you forget to return Sinister Serpent during your Standby Phase by going straight to your Main Phase 1 and summoning a monster, you can't say "Oops, I forgot to return my Sinister Serpent, I'm going to go back to my Standby Phase and get him back".

*gets back to vacation*
 
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Yes, but it's still both players responsibility to deal with an optional effect once its been triggered. Forgeting it is one thing. Ignoring it is another.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
How is Sinister Serpent an "Ignition Effect" when it activates in the Graveyard during the Standby Phase????

That suspiciously sounds like a Optional Trigger....
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An optional trigger is triggered by an event happening (a card is sent to the graveyard, a monster is summoned, etc...)

There's no event triggering Sinister Serpent, it needs to be in the graveyard during your stand-bu phase for you to activate it, just like a normal ignition effect needs to be on the field during your main-phase to be activated.
 
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Sinister Serpent just says that you can bring it back to your hand during your Standby Phase. Doesn't matter what Standby Phase. Nothing triggers the effect, it's the owner's option.

And like Fiendish Enjoy pointed it, it must be done during your Standby Phase, so after draw and before just about anything else.

Getting back to the priority of issue though...
DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
The player does not have priority to activate an optional trigger effect.

When an optional trigger effect has the timing to start a chain (or sometimes chain to if there are other trigger effect) the player must decide "Yes" or "No" to activate its effect. The game cannot go on until a decision is made.
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...nail on the head.
 
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But for the issue which DaGuy was addressing:
Your opponent can't cut into your priority by activating an effect.

In the case above, you're telling players that not making a decision is the same as choosing "no". This "rule" should only be applied if the controller of that effect has done something which is not possible unless the decision is made (such as changing phases). Otherwise, the whole concept of priority would be pointless. It'd just be a Quick-Draw game.

And no, the rule for Optional Triggers was introduced in the OCG because of Gilfar Demon, and in the TCG in the time before Peten the Dark Clown came out (Dark Magician of Chaos didn't have the rule applied right away).

And as for Sinister Serpent:
Sinister Serpent just says that you can bring it back to your hand during your Standby Phase. Doesn't matter what Standby Phase. Nothing triggers the effect, it's the owner's option.
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That's as good an explanation as any I've seen. Which is to say, none. >_>

Then again, that would mean Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV4 is an Optional Trigger?
 
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Raijinili said:
Then again, that would mean Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV4 is an Optional Trigger?
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Destroying a monster is a condition for activating its effect; not a trigger.

Compare Revival Jam, when its destroyed in battle you have to make the decision then (in the damage step) if you want to pay 1000 lp to activate its effect. You don't wait until your standby phase to make the decision. (a triggered effect is triggered when that event happens, it doesn't wait)

But Horus LV 4/6 can't be activated in any end phase; but in the end phase of a specific turn. In its case, "~ a turn that this card destroyed a monster as a result of battle" is little different than "~ your turn" or "~ your opponent's turn."
 
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Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV4 isn't an opitional effect as it doesn't give any optinial wording such as "can", "up to #", or "may". Those word(s) are opitional and can mean two different things. After all, when you Tribute Summon Mobius the Frost Monarch, you can destroy up to 2 Spell/Trap cards on the field. This means, 0, 1, or 2 cards.

Now if Sinister Serpent is considered to be an Ignition Effect, I have this question to give.

Wouldn't a Phase Shift be an event? I think it would. Since cards don't need to be on the field to activate and resolve, Sinister Serpent's Trigger Effect activates in the event that the Phase Shifts into the Standby Phase. So how in the world can it be an Ignition Effect?

If it isn't a Trigger Effect then I know for certain it isn't a Continuous Effect because of cards like Divine Wrath negate it. But since the effect activates when the phase Shifts to Standby Phase, Sinister Serpent gives you the option of adding it to your hand or not.

Ok, I'm done with my quick small rant for now.
 
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