Moving Targets ???

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Ledah

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Here is a couple of questions:

Let's say Opponent plays "Raigeki Break" and you chain "Book of moon"
- The monster is flipped face down and it will still be destroyed... right?

But what would happen if instead of any monster, you have a trap monster...
- Would the effect of "Raigeki Break" just fizzle out?

And what would happen if Opponent plays Mystical Space Typhoon and targets a face down trap monster?
- Will activiting the trap monster save it from the MST?


I guess my question is:

- If you target something, no matter where it moves (On the field :p) will it still be targeted? or does the effect fizzles?
 
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Ledah said:
Here is a couple of questions:

Let's say Opponent plays "Raigeki Break" and you chain "Book of moon"
- The monster is flipped face down and it will still be destroyed... right?

But what would happen if instead of any monster, you have a trap monster...
- Would the effect of "Raigeki Break" just fizzle out?

And what would happen if Opponent plays Mystical Space Typhoon and targets a face down trap monster?
- Will activiting the trap monster save it from the MST?


I guess my question is:

- If you target something, no matter where it moves (On the field :p) will it still be targeted? or does the effect fizzles?
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Raigeki Break targets the card at time of activation after the cost is paid. Regardless of whether Book of Moon flips the card face down, the card would still be destroyed. The only time the effect would fizzle is if the card in no longer on the field. Example: Player A activates Raigeki Break and targets Vampire Lord. Player B responds by activation Deck Devastation Virus and tributes Vampire Lord for the cost. When the chain resolves, Vampire Lord is no longer on the field and the effect of Raigeki Break fizzles. The same is true if it is a trap card that, when activated, becomes a monster.

If the opponent plays MST and targets a face down trap/spell card, the player has the opportunity to chain the effect of the spell/trap card, provided that the timing is correct for activation.
 
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Ledah said:
I guess my question is:

- If you target something, no matter where it moves (On the field :p) will it still be targeted? or does the effect fizzles?
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And the answer to this specific question would be 'yes', unless the effect specifically targets a type of card (monster, spell, trap, etc...), or a card in a specific orientation (face-up, face-down, attack position, defense position, etc..) and that targeted card no longer matches the targeting specifications.

Examples:
If a card could only destroy a targeted monster and that monster is somehow changed to a Spell card (Crystal Beast), that targeted effect would not be able to destroy that card.

If a card can only destroy a face-down Spell/Trap and that Spell/Trap is chained, that targeted effect would not be able to destroy that card.
 
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everything horusmaster said is true.
but unfortunately, i don't think it clearly explains what's going on.

e.g. trap => monster or monster => trap.

i'd say it's situation specific.

raigeki break vs a trap monster (let's say metal reflect slime in monster mode)
raigeki break says destroy a card on the field.
if Book sets MRS back into a trap, it is still destroyed. the basis of my ruling is from what curtis said regarding raiza + torrential vs cb pegasus.

quick recap:
opponent has cb pegasus on field.
tp tribs for raiza targeting pegasus. opponent torrentials.
curtis ruled that despite pegasus being crystalized, raiza's target is still on the field, so raiza's effect will still resolve.

http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/community/forums/thread/993126.aspx

now, a viable situation i'd say where a trap monster is saved, would be this.
opponent has a trap-monster (in monster mode) on his field.
you summon exiled force and tribute it to destoy the trap-monster.
opponent chains book of moon to set the trap monster. when exiled force resolves, the monster it targeted is no longer on the field.

in this case, it's saved because exiled force's effect targets a monster, not card.


for your second question:
and i'd say this is true for every trap-monster

if your opponent targets your face down trap monster card, chaining it will not save it, as all trap monsters are still eligible to be destroyed by s/t destroying effects (mst/dust/heavy storm/mobius) regardless if they're still a trap, or are activated and become monsters
 
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1cup said:
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now, a viable situation i'd say where a trap monster is saved, would be this.
opponent has a trap-monster (in monster mode) on his field.
you summon exiled force and tribute it to destoy the trap-monster.
opponent chains book of moon to set the trap monster. when exiled force resolves, the monster it targeted is no longer on the field.

in this case, it's saved because exiled force's effect targets a monster, not card.
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This is new to me... where has it been ruled that if Book of Moon flips a Trap Monster ("Zoma the Spirit"; "Stronghold of the Moving Fortress", etc.) face-down that it is no longer a "monster"... I haven't been able to find anything that says it moves back to the S/T zone so wouldn't it still be considered a monster since it is face-down and you can't see what monster it is or is not?
 
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It's a ruling on Embodiment of Apophis - SP1 (If you want to search for the card), but for some reason netrep's "SEARCH" option is not working...


Anyway...


The example of 1cup I find it odd...


http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/c...ad/993126.aspx


Why would the Crystal Beast Pegasus still be a eligible target for Raiza since it has left the field and returned?


I think there is something wrong with that.

And thanks for your comments
 
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ah thanks on Embodiment

so far as the Crystal Beast example, it doesn't leave the field, it moves from the Monster Zone to the S/T Zone. That's how Curtis ruled it. It's text is:

Crystal Beast Sapphire Pegasus
Effect Monster (Beast / WIND / 4 Stars / ATK 1800 / DEF 1200)
When this card is Normal Summoned, Flip Summoned, or Special Summoned, you can place 1 "Crystal Beast" monster from your hand, Deck, or Graveyard face-up in your Spell & Trap Card Zone; it is treated as a Continuous Spell Card. If this card is destroyed while it is in a Monster Card Zone, you can place it face-up in your Spell & Trap Card Zone as a Continuous Spell Card, instead of sending it to the Graveyard.

So you can see that it doesn't go to the GY first and then come back... it just moves.
 
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