Need 2 quick confirmations...

[helpoemer316]

Ok... due to situations that have happened in the past, I need to make sure on two rulings that I'm 80% sure I'm right upon, but of course, since I can't find them in the FAQ's for VS... I've gotta look somewhere else, lol.

All right.

First one has to do with the 3 drop Mammoth. It's text reads:

As an additional cost to recruit Mammoth, reveal another Fearsome Five character card from your hand.
When Mammoth comes into play, KO a resource you control.

Whenever Mammoth becomes stunned, KO him.

When Mammoth is put into a KO'd pile from play, put the top card of your deck face down into your resource row.

All right, there was an issue with this card and a friend of mine who was playing someone else. Now due to the fact that when it's stunned, he's KO'd and when he's KO'd, the top card is placed face-down in the resource row, seems simple enough right? Ok. The issue came when the guy said he was stunned and the effect isn't present or something like not too sure. But if he's KO'd by his effect (because he was stunned) the player gets the resource back due to the latter part of the effect... that's what I say, that's what the card says... yet there was confusion for some reason and it's more or less double checking for my friend rather then myself (since he'll be playing in the 10K and I'm telling him he should run Mammoth over the Chargers he's running now).

The second confirmation has to do with the 7 drop Raven, this is just my morbid curiosity to be honest, and this one to be honest, I'm actually more or less 95% sure I'm right, lol, but I could be 95% wrong as well. All right, basically the text says that you pay 1 endurance during the recovery phase and your opponent's characters cannot ready. Ok. If Raven is stunned, the effect cannot be used during the recovery phase, to use the effect would require it to be used during the wrap-up, since you can't activate abilities during the wrap-up, it's impossible to use the effect the same turn that Raven is stunned and is recoevered...

That's my ruling, just looking for confirmation on it.

Thanks.

 

[Dlanaan]

Mammoth's effect creates a delayed modifier. It's a pain to explain, but the gist of it is that when Mammoth is stunned he's KO'd and a game-based effect goes on the chain that waits for Mammoth to be sent to the KO pile from play. When he's sent from the KO pile from play, you put the top card of your deck into your resource row. If you want more detail, I'll try to grind through it, but he's a headache (and personally, I'd recommend Charger anyways, missing a resource is painful).

For number 2, check my thread on priority points. Basically, if you wait until the wrap-up and Raven is recovered by that, there is no point of priority until the Draw Phase. Since Raven can't use her power in the Draw Phase, it is too late.

 

[helpoemer316]

All right, let's simply just get to the point with Mammoth.

If he's KOed becuase he's stunned, you do not gain the resource back, is that what you said? (LoL)

And the Raven thing I figured I knew and I was right, but still, just something that kind of irks me (especially when I've only been playing the game for 4 months at the longest and I've still yet to pay much attention for cards that I don't play or face on a regular basis, =/)

 

[Dlanaan]

If Mammoth is stunned and then KO'd, you DO get the resource back (otherwise he'd be absolutely horrible). When Mammoth gets stunned, there is a delayed trigger waiting for Mammoth to be sent to the KO pile. When that trigger is met, you get your resource.

 

[helpoemer316]

Ok, so I was right on both occasions, thanks.