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mottaaf

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Some guy that comes to the tourney i go to thought up this combo and I think it will not work.

Have Stone Statue of the Aztecs in face up defense mode. Activate Ojama Trio and then when the opp. attacks to activate Staunch Defender.

He thinks that the 3 tokens will have to attack for 12,000 damage. I don't think they can because it will be in the battle phase so manual position changes are out of the question and the text and rulings for Staunch Defender don't say anything about changing the positions of monsters.

So my question is: Does Staunch Defender have an unwritten clause that is understood to turn the cards into attack mode or does the combo just not work?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Well, I found this ruling from the Netrep Files 6.0b:

"Face-up monsters on the opponent's field turn to Attack Position when "Staunch Defender" resolves."

So if this IS true and STILL correct, then the Ojama Tokens would be switched to Attack position and would be forced to attack.

Very interesting.
 
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Staunch Defender does not force defense position monsters into attack position so this combo will not work.

http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=2646#2646

At one time on the old Yahoo Judge's Site it was ruled that if an attacking
player had Ojama tokens on his side of the field and attacked with another
monster....and defending player activated Staunch Defender....that the Ojama
tokens would be forced into attack postion along with all other face up defense
postion monsters. I've heard debate on this topic a number of times as of late.

Can we get a more up to date clarification?




Answer:

Current ruling:

"Staunch Defender" does not force Defense Position monster into Attack Position.

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I was previously told (I believe by this same forum) that only face-up Attack position monsters (plus Total Defense Shogun in Defence mode) are made to attack (i.e. ones that can attack anyway in their current position). From above this still holds.

When you chain Staunch Defender to the declaration of an attack, does that attack goes through normally, and then all other monsters are forced to attack your selected monster?

And as for that combo, use Windstorm of Etaqua. That should work nicely.
 
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skey23 said:
Ok, so the Netrepâ„¢ Files are wrong....:-( Big deal...I can handle....*sniffle*...it....*sniffle*...
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Actually it was indeed ruled as the Netrep files state at one time. I had talked with Kevin at the Shonen Jump Championship in Anehiem and asked him about this ruling. He seemed a bit stunned and said it was incorrect....thus my question and their response to it. I'm glad it's cleared up.
 
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no it doesnt force to attack position.

but the combo is missing 1 card and that is Zero Gravity.

you also have the play the combo a certain way, it isnt a combo unless you can actually pull the cards off.

basically your oppenning hand should be

Ojama Trio
stouch defender
Zero Gravity
stone statue of the aztects.

if you notice its a 4 card combo, and you have to be smart at doing it because it can easily be broken up.

try figuring out how to make the combo work, you will notice it takes skills to know how and when to do it.

also skye if you remember correctly ther eis a notice on the netrep files that state to not go by thouse rulings etc... etc....

im surprised you looked there first. yea its kool and all but come on the time the file was written to today is very much different.
 
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wow john, i didnt think you would ever reply with a statement like that. lol


well anywho yea trying to pull off an OTK like this is like having exodia in your hand.

the best combos are the ones you can pull off easily with 2-3 cards that wont really be a heavenly gift.

while 4-5 cards you might as well try your luck using an exodia deck.
 
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I would just like to point out the orginal combo the guy thought of was only 3 cards of which ojama trio could probably be set off and the tokens sit there, it just happens that the combo doesn't work.

I can't believe I didn't think of that Amazoness combo and I just built an Amazoness deck last night.
 
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well initially the 3 cards dont work. you need the 4th cards which is the key card to make the combo succeed. why you say?

beause the inital combo works in phases. and its smart phases too.

first you summon the statue in face up attack.

set the stouch the gravity and the ojama.

their turn look at how it will work because the 2 cards that kill at this point is Heavy Storm and Smashing Grounds/Fissure/hammershot

you run a big Gamble here becuase if the card fails your stuck.

the next thing you have to do is make your opponent belive that they can beat you up. so once you see them summon a monster in attack position you have to make sure they enter battle phase.

once they declare an attack you have to play the cards in this specific order

Stauch Defender / no responce / Zero Gravity / No responce / Ojama Trio.

then the chain resolves

Firs the ojamas go to their side of the field.

then Zero Gravity will change the position of all monsters

your aztec is not defense and the trio are in attack.

now stouch defender will activate since the conditions were correct and bam.

the trios must attack and you win. :)

see takes skill.
 
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