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And I'm curious as to how this would matter, as spell speed one it will always be on the field until the end of the chain anyway (it has to be the first card in the chain and so the last to resolve) so regardless of whether it's the card or the game mechanic that sends it to the graveyard it'll still go to the graveyard at the same time as all the other Spell and Trap cards.


If it did matter though I'd say it's the card that sends it to the graveyard, like if MST destroys a card mid-chain. It's effect has already been activated and resolved though so it doesn't prevent anthing.
 
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Heavy Storm does NOT destroy itself. It sends itself to the graveyard.

It's because if Heavy Storm would be able to destroy itself, you could activate it to get a Spell COunter on Skilled Magicians, Libraries, Blast Magicians, etc.

MST can't be activated to destroy itself.

Remember the ruling on "MST vs. Fiend's Hand Mirror"?

Upperdeck said:
Since "Mystical Space Typhoon" cannot destroy itself, when you chain "Fiend's Hand Mirror" to your opponent's "Mystical Space Typhoon", you cannot re-direct the "Mystical Space Typhoon" to target itself. But you can re-direct it to target and destroy "Fiend's Hand Mirror".
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See?



Waldo10032 "“ The Fiendish Duelist says:
"What? You attack my Giant Orc while he's in Defense mode?
You shouldn't do that. He's got a very contagious sickness called "Deck Devastation Virus". Ooops! Look at that! You've been infected!!!
 
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daivahataka said:
If it did matter though I'd say it's the card that sends it to the graveyard, like if MST destroys a card mid-chain. It's effect has already been activated and resolved though so it doesn't prevent anthing.
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If it is the card that sends it to the graveyard, then why doesnt Giant Trunade send itself back to your hand?
 
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just take a KSS (Konami says so) on the Giant Trunade ruling, the debate was long and fierce:
Quote: StRiKe_NiNjA (i think)
Everyone get your tickets here!! Don't miss the already hot dispute being disputed and being disputed away in history!! You never seen a dispute till you guys see these three disputing away each others life points!! The rules books are flying, the fingers are being pointed, hand smashes are smashing against the tables,!! Wow, Look at em go!!!....
masterwoo0 is in the sky about to perform his signature move!!! the woo0 fang school cannon!! But what is this?? novastar dodges the attack and is about to execute the ultimate move!! the electrical thunder shortage!! wo0o0o0oW!! The crowd is in amazement!! Wait a minute folks!! daivahataka rise up from the rubbles of stones... and appears to be holding a ball of energy!! people raise ur hands up in the air like you don't care!! it'z the ShiNkU HaDoKeN!!..... to be continued....

i don't remember how the thread ended, however....
-chaosruler
 
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Lustermaster said:
Actually the text on Heavy Storm says that it destroys every S/T card on the field and since it is in the field I don´t see why it wouldn´t be destroyed. Since Giant Trunade is a Konami Said So ruling, it is looked in a different way.
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Heavy Storm doesn't destroy itself for the same reason Trunade doesn't send itself back to the hand. Played cards in the process of resolving don't count themselves for the deliberation of thier effect. This is why chained traps (either to Heavy Storm or Giant Trunade) don't get destroyed or return to the hand, because their in the process of resolving. Imgaine if I could chain Waboku to Giant Trunade and keep returning both of them to my hand for the rest of the game. That would just be wrong. :(
 
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jpnuar1 said:
You can't return Waboku to your hand with Giant Trunade because it would resolve first, and thus be sent to the graveyard before Giant Trunade finished resolving.
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No if you read the advanced FAQ it states that the actual cards themselves remain face-up on the field for the entire resolution of the chain and would all be sent together.

So Giant Trunade cannot return Waboku because the effect of the card as been used, so it is in a sense, a used gun.
 
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novastar said:
No if you read the advanced FAQ it states that the actual cards themselves remain face-up on the field for the entire resolution of the chain and would all be sent together.

So Giant Trunade cannot return Waboku because the effect of the card as been used, so it is in a sense, a used gun.
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I didn't read jpnuar1's post closley enough. I didn't notice he said "sent to the graveyared." That's right, they stay on the field for the duration of the chain. I like the phrase "used gun." Another term I've been hearing latley that I also like is "empty shell." The concept being that, during the resolution of a chain, each card in the chain is now an empty shell (a one shot pistol), awaiting resolution on the field, but technicaly "used."
 
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Digital Jedi said:
I didn't read jpnuar1's post closley enough. I didn't notice he said "sent to the graveyared." That's right, they stay on the field for the duration of the chain. I like the phrase "used gun." Another term I've been hearing latley that I also like is "empty shell." The concept being that, during the resolution of a chain, each card in the chain is now an empty shell (a one shot pistol), awaiting resolution on the field, but technicaly "used."
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Unless they're a continuous/equip or remain on the field for a few turns (e.g. SoRL). ;)
 
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