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after summoning tribe infecting virus and my opponent activates ring, compolsory, torrential, Skill Drain, offering to the doomed or any card that may destroy him or remove him from the field, I understand that his effect still goes through because

1. it is a cost effect which activates upon summoning
2. only a card that can negate the cost itself can negate the activation of the effect

Is my info correct and how bout the monarchs priority after successful tributes?

thanks


this is my first thread how iz zit?
 
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Well that is somewhat off topic, but briefly:

You have priority (not the monster) to activate Mobius the Frost Monarch's effect and then your opponent now has a chance to chain to it.

Tribe-Infecting Virus' effect is not a cost that activates upon summoning. You simply have priority to activate it upon summoning. And no card negates costs (Goblin of Greed only prevents costs. It doesn't negate them.) Only cards that can negate Tribe's effect (e.g. Divine Wrath) can stop his effect from resolving, but in his case the cost gets paid whether they get the effect of Tribe or not.

Is this your first time on a forum? I don't recognize your name. If so then, welcome. For your first post you did fine. My suggestion is that if you do have a question that is on a paticular subject, don't be afraid to start a whole new thread on the matter. We are more than happy to answer any questions you may have and someone will usually direct you to a more official source to back up thier answers. :)
 
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well you got somewhat the gist of it, not fully though.


like DJ said, you have priority.

and since you have priority stuff goes on steps. this leads to minimal confusion and good game play.

you summon your monster, FIRST you should ask if the monster will even hit the field, Horn of heave and Solem Judgement can negate summons, so first you have to ask if the monster you are trying to bring out will even make it.

second, the monster hits the field you dont ask your opponent if they have anything to respond with but better yet, I would like to activate its effect or some other spell speed 1 or 2 effect.

Meaning if you have a Cannon Soldier, you can activate its effect instead of Tribe infecting virus effect.

now once you have paid for your effect you ask your opponent if they have anything to respond with either summon or effect. because the last thing happening is the summon of the monster to effect to effect to effect etc...

so you must continue with that line.

you responded to your summon with an effect and so your opponent can respond in the same manner.

dont espect because you activated with an effect its to late for your opponent to activate cards like torrential, Bottomless Trap Hole, or even Trap Hole.

cards that state you may, is a question if you would like, cards that are continous your set your self up.

you cannot activate a spell speed 1 effect if you have a continous effect already circleing the field.


meaning, you have King Tiger Wanghu on the field you summon Tribe infecting virus, the first link in the chain is King Tiger Wanghu searching for 1400 or less monsters to destroy. the second link would be what ever your opponent decideds to put in.

IF you summon and activate and your opponent responds with Skill Drain, after they pay and the card is activate it will negate the effect of all face up monsters effect.

even if you paid for Tribe infecting virus since it will be face up it will get its effect negated.

it is not like Exiled Force were it will not remain face up on the field to get its effect negated. :)

hope this helps you understand how it works. :)
 
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Simply put as the turn player you have priority to activate your monsters effects first. But whatever effect you activate automatically gives your opponent a chance to chain to it. And you don't haave to ask if you summon a monster whether your opponent is going to activate a summon negator like Horn of Heaven or Solemn Judgment. You'll now as soon as you summon the monster whether it's going to get negated or not. Yes, your opponent get's to see what's being summoned before he can decide whether or not he wants to negate it or not.
 
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i dont think so.

also in my statement, i said to ask your opponent if the monster will get summoned so you dont jump the gun and say "oo im sorry my monster is already summoned" and the opponent reply's with " he never gave me a chance to negate the summon"

basically, Sacrifice bring out the monster and ask "will my monster be succesfully summoned"

then you know comes the chance to negate the summon, once not negated boom you active the effect, im stating this for monsters like Mobious, zaborg, thestalos, and grandmarg were they have to be tribute summoned successfully in order to even think about activating the effect.
 
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You do not have to ask if your monster is going to be succesfully summoned. You are the turn player. If you ask a question like that then you are passing on your priority. You ask your opponent if he's going to do anything after you summon a monster, on your turn, then your relinquishing priority to activate any effects.

If your opponent is playing a summon negator like Horn of Heaven or Solemn Judgment then the only correct point of activation is when you summon a monster. If he does nothing and allows you to move on then he's missed the timing for those cards and it's his fault. But asking your opponent if he's going to do anything when your the one with priority is just bad advise. :(
 
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no it isnt.

If my monster never gets summon how can i choose targets for Mobious?

ooo thats right i cant, thats the reason why there are multiple problems at regionals. because there are few that have summon negators and WE jump the gun to just think they arnt going to do nothing.

i said ask if the monster will get summon, that falls under the steps of the monster even being summoned.


you cant just go boom my monsters on the field i dont care if you have Horn of Heaven you missed your timing.

that is out right cheating and unsportsman like.

everybody know that when you send off a monster as a tribute to summon you are about to summon, but summon what is a whole different situation.

i cant belive your still up with that, if you saw the steps your self when D_x posted them in the last priority thread.

Out right cheating man.
 
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but see the point is you ask if the monster is even going to hit the field.

the monster technically is there to show were its at, i never said hold the card in your hand and so forth.
 
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From what I learned, there are two response points to a Summon. Response point {A and {B

It should be played out like this:


You declare the Normal Summon, and who is going to be Normal Summoned
{A - (The response window is opened here to "negate" the summon) "unsuccessful summon"
Exp: Horn of Heaven, Solemn Judgment, etc

Now say nothing is played to negate the summon

Now the Normal Summon is "successful"
{B - (The response window is opened here to "respond" to the summon) "successful summon"
Exp: Bottomless Trap Hole, Trap Hole, Torrential Tribute, etc.
 
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krazykidpsx said:
no it isnt.

If my monster never gets summon how can i choose targets for Mobious?

ooo thats right i cant, thats the reason why there are multiple problems at regionals. because there are few that have summon negators and WE jump the gun to just think they arnt going to do nothing.

i said ask if the monster will get summon, that falls under the steps of the monster even being summoned.


you cant just go boom my monsters on the field i dont care if you have Horn of Heaven you missed your timing.

that is out right cheating and unsportsman like.

everybody know that when you send off a monster as a tribute to summon you are about to summon, but summon what is a whole different situation.

i cant belive your still up with that, if you saw the steps your self when D_x posted them in the last priority thread.

Out right cheating man.
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Because the game state is rewound and the summon is undone. Why does everyone keep thinking that when you summon a monster it can't be made unsucceseful by the summon negators? It can.

You don't have to ask. And that is not cheating by any stretch of the imagination.
 
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i have the monster out allready and everything and then they go, oh sorry i activated this.

are we really going to rewind all the way back after i have activated cards beyond the summon.

No i dont think so.

that is straight up cheeting. and it only used to rewound when you didnt have priority or atleast nobody knew about it.

now that we do it makes it so you should ask in point A. that if the monster will even be a successfull summon.

why should it be successfull and then they go oo i activate solem judgement.

that is straight up cheeting. because you already went through alot and then they activate stuff. that is way beyond late.
 
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In many ways this sounds like the activation and resolution of spell cards.

There is the "activation" (for lack of a proper term) of the summoned monster. A card such as Horn of Heaven or Solemn Judgment can be activated here in response to the activation of the summoning. That doesnt mean that the monster wasnt placed on the field.

If there is no negation of the summoning, then the summoning resolves successfully, and the opponent may respond to the resolution of the summoning.

Now, Im reaching here, but it reminds me of how a spell card is placed on the field, in order to declare the activation. A proper negator, such as Magic Jammer, would stop the activation, despite the Spell card having already been placed upon the field.
 
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Thank you:) the only thing that bothers me about saying it is the terminology of saying "activation".

As a community, we have been striving to make everyone understand that you cannot chain to a summons. But saying "activation" makes it sound too similar to the wording for chainable effects.

Maybe..."declaration". Now, everyone take a fine point marker and rewrite what your Solemn Judgement and Horn of Heaven cards say, to include the term, "declaration"

...or not.:p
[edit] I got a compliment and reached 100 posts all at the same time.

*sniff*
not..

gonna..

..cry *sniff*
 
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i never said the monster wouldnt hit the field. all i said was once the monster is on the field ask your opponent if the summmon will be successfull.

thats all im trying to say, i dont know if its still not understandable. but i really hope it is.

i cant rely on my opponent not doing nothing becuase there is the responce with "Sorry i was thinking about what i was gonna do" this even includes if they take 5 minutes out of the match to think what they will do.
 
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Gentlemen, Gentlemen

Such passionate responese from ybou all, thank you very much. The issue here has everything to do with timing.
1 When I summon (I will then use the word RESPONSE)
no response, then activate

if a response (SOL JUD, HORN HEv) tribe and monarchs summonings are negated and no effects will be activated

What if the response is ring, torential, bottomless, compulsory?

Although the monster will be destroyed can I activate the effect after the reponse of the trap or other type of response?

It seens as though As long as I give my apponent a chance to respond its fair play and if he/she doesnt repond then I can move on

I believe that the problem arises because we use the term priority to mea IMMEDIATE and AUTOMATIC activation and forgetting the basic gameplay rule of OPPONENTS CHANCE TO RESPOND. to every action an opponent has a chance to respond.

everyone please continue to respond to my threads because your responses are interesting and are helping me a great deal.

my skillz are improving. thanks
 
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Okay let me break this down for you again Heart.

When you summon a monster this means that you have prioeity to activate one of the effects of the monsters on your side of the field. It's your opponent who now must ask if your going to use that monster's (or another on your side of the field) effect. He CANNOT respond to your summon until you pass on your priority. (The summon negators are the exception to this rule)

So you have the option to activate effects first, only when you do that, or pass on that, does your opponent have a chance to respond. Any traps activated in responce to the effects of your monster must go in a chain. Then the chain will resolve as normal with the last effect played resolving first.
 
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