Prisma V Dragon's mirror

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Terry the Elder

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Dragon's mirror
Remove from play, from your side of the field or your Graveyard, Fusion Material Monsters that are listed on a Dragon-Type Fusion Monster Card, and Special Summon that Fusion Monster from your Fusion Deck. (This Special Summon is treated as a Fusion Summon).

According to the forums this card can be used to summon 5 headed dragon.

Five headed dragon
The Fusion Material Monsters for this card are any 5 Dragon-Type monsters. This monster cannot be Special Summoned except by Fusion Summon. This card does not take any Battle Damage and cannot be destroyed by battle with an EARTH, WATER, FIRE, WIND, or DARK monster. (Battle Damage is still inflicted to players.)

Elemental hero prisma
Once per turn, you can reveal 1 Fusion Monster from your Fusion Deck and send 1 Fusion Material Monster listed on that card from your Deck to the Graveyard. Until the End Phase, this card's name is treated as the sent monster's name.

So on the basis of dragons Mirror, could I summon prisma, reveal 5 headed dragon and send blue eyes to the gyard. After all blue eyes would count as a dragon for 5 headed dragon, using Dragons Mirror, at least according to the forumns. And the texts are almost identical.

On the other hand I understand that I cannot use Prisma to send Darius to the gyard for gyzarus, as it is not specifically listed.

And if I consider revoke fusion then I cannot.
Revoke fusion
Discard 1 "Polymerization" to the Graveyard. Send 1 Fusion Monster from your Fusion Deck to your Graveyard and Special Summon 1 monster from your hand that is listed as a Fusion Material Monster on that card. The Special Summoned monster is sent to the Graveyard during the End Phase of this turn.

Revoke specifically says that the card must be listed. So it was ruled that it does not work for 5 headed dragon.

Is this a case of conflicting rulings? Revoke and prisma work the same way, but dragons mirror with identical text works different.

I really want an explanation of why near identical text is ruled twice in one direction and once in the other?

I hope someone can help me get it clear in my mind why this is?:?:
 
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Elemental Hero Prisma requires a named card (per old Schultz ruling) until Konami rules otherwise. While it is speculation to reason why, a likely reason is that, like Revoke Fusion, Prisma is looking for 1 specific card name, while Dragon's Mirror is not. Again that is just speculative reasoning. But it makes sense to me when I'm trying to remember which cards can be used and which cards cannot.
 
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Thank you for that but I still do not get the actual difference

Fusion Material Monsters that are listed (Dragons mirror)

Fusion Material Monster listed (Prisma)

listed as a Fusion Material Monster (revoke)

The texts are identical, bar Dragons mirror being plural.

So why does dragons mirror not look for listed card but the other two do. If I did not know the rulings on dragons mirror but did know prisma than I would have ruled that dragons mirror would not work for five headed dragon. Simple extrapolation of a known ruling.

It also raises other questions. If a new card is released with identical text, which ruling would you follow, Prisma or dragons mirror.

Is this a case of an old curtis ruling saying so, or bad translation of an ocg text. Is this a case where Konami need to issue clearer guidance.
 
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It's not the card text, it's what the card does with the listed monster.

"Dragon's Mirror" is Special Summoning the Fusion Monster from the Fusion Deck, so the listed monsters are actually used as Fusion Materials. (For example, if there was some removed-from-play version of "Supply" or "Fusion Recovery", then you could return the Dragon-Type monsters to your hand.) When resolving "Dragon's Mirror", you apply the text of "Five-Headed Dragon" which lets you treat any applicable monster as a Fusion Material.

"Elemental Hero Prisma" and "Revoke Fusion" do not Special Summon the Fusion Monster, so the {sent/Special Summoned} listed monster is not treated as being a Fusion Material. Thus, you cannot apply the text of "Five-Headed Dragon" which lets you treat any applicable monster as a Fusion Material because it is not a Fusion Material. "Prisma" is (more-or-less) looking at card text, similar to "Level Up!".
 
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"Dragon's Mirror" performs a Fusion Summon. It doesn't care what the names of the Dragons are, it just fuses them together.

"Elemental Hero Prisma" needs a name. That's the entirety of its effect. That's also what the ruling says (about halfway down the TCG rulings).

"Revoke Fusion", yeah, it needs named Fusion Material Monsters (also a ruling).



It's a case of subtle wording. There's not many ways to say what these cards do without them saying exactly the same thing (and thus relying on rulings to convey the meaning). Using "named Fusion Material Monsters" would help, but apparently they didn't think of that (or if they did, they didn't want to turn "named" into yet another piece of terminology for whatever reason). Rest assured that the STP will (eventually) make this distinction.
 
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