Prohibition vs. Neko Mane King

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Osiris

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I submitted this to the UDE list as a question, but no response has been given yet (and I posted it last week). I was reading a ruling about the cards mentioned in the title that stated thusly:

"¢ When "Neko Mane King" is designated by "Prohibition", its effect is not activated.

This ruling confuses me, because Neko Mane King's effect activates in the Graveyard. Could someone explain this ruling to me, please. Thanks.
 
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Prohibition prevents the card from being played / used regardless where it is. Whatever the named card is, unless its on the field already, it cannot be summoned/set, activated, or have any effect used. Prohibition's effect extends even if the named card is in your hand, Graveyard, or Removed from Play.
 
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*nods head* Makes so much more sense when explained... cheers... would these examples be relevant as well?? I moderate a forum for local tournament players and well, need these confirmed for an answer...

Example 1 -- D.D. Scount Plane:
You have 2 D.D. Scout Plane is in the Graveyard. You remove both for the cost of Strike Ninjas effect. They won't return to the field.

Example 2 -- Jinzo:
You cannot bring him back from the graveyard with effects such as Premature Burial or Call of the Haunted.

Example 3 -- Kuriboh:
You cannot discard Kuriboh from your hand to the Graveyard to negate battle damage.

Example 4 -- Sinister Serpent:
You cannot return it to your hand.
 
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Are you asking about these cards in relevance to "Prohibition"? Meaning, you've declared the said card name while the above cards are either in the opponent's hand or Graveyard?

Or are these just ruling questions that need to be confirmed?

Thanks.
 
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1) D. D. Scout Plane is in the FAQ under its own entry:
If "Prohibition" was used and "D. D. Scout Plane" is prohibited, "D. D. Scout Plane" cannot be Special Summoned and remains removed from play.

2) You couldn't CotH on Jinzo because that would mean Jinzo is now being played (anthing on the field is considered "played").

3) Is an extrapolation from "King of the Swamp": If "King of the Swamp" is designated by "Prohibition", you can't get his effect.

4) Activating the effect of a monster is "playing" it, so you wouldn't be able to get the Serpent either (this I would extrapolate from the DDSP ruling in [1]).
 
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Because Prohibition doesn't ahve any power over a card that wasn't named by it.

Netrep 600:
"A card declared by "Prohibition" may be Special Summoned, but will have no effect and may not attack."
(special summoned by the effect of another card)

I believe this was once on the FAQ:

"If a named card still comes into play (i.e. through Monster Reborn or Cyber Jar) the card can still come into play, but it is treated as a normal monster and cannot attack."

Of course the part about "normal monster" is obviously a mistake, and is likely why its not on the FAQ anymore.
 
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The same goes for LV monsters to. If I have Horus LV 6 out and my opponnent uses Prohibition declaring LV 8. I can still use Level Up or Lv 6's effect. Horus LV 8 will just be on the field without its effect and can't attack.
 
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This can't be how it would be ruled currently, could it? I can't see how bringing a card out through the effect of another is not considered playing it. The idea of a monster being treated as a non-effect monster just seems silly. The idea that it can't attack just seems sillier. If I'm not "playing" the card what am I doing?
 
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Yes, but as I was saying, the card very clearly refers to cards played from the hand. Prohibition encompasses any card played from any location. I can't see the logic behind saying a card isn't played because another card Special Summoned it. By definition each and every card in the game gets "played".
 
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DaGuy's ruling is currently correct.

A card played though the effect of another card is fine.

From a technical point of view, Jinzo is not being "played" by you, it is being played by Call of the Haunted's effect. But of course in that case you recieve no effect and Jinzo just basically becomes "a monster" on the field.

It's wierd i agree, but i think it's wierd due to the wording and lack of understanding where Prohibition is concerned. I don't understand it fully myself.
 
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My thinking is that the old ruling (the one DaGuy mentioned) was removed for just that reason. That it doesn't make sense. Has any one tried inquiring to the Judges List for something more current? I just have this nagging feeling that the viewpoint may have changed or may be in the process of changing.
 
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Digital Jedi said:
Yes, but as I was saying, the card very clearly refers to cards played from the hand. Prohibition encompasses any card played from any location. I can't see the logic behind saying a card isn't played because another card Special Summoned it. By definition each and every card in the game gets "played".
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Chain Energy is different from Prohibition. Exactly.

Chain Energy would make you pay even if the card is summoned by an outside effect. Prohibition does not.

(Does not what? Does not apply when a card is summoned by an outside effect.)
 
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