Question About Effect Monsters with Summoning Effects

Dyne2057

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My questions are as follows:

1. What is the difference between a card that says "can ONLY be Special Summoned by..." and "can only be summoned/special summoned EXCEPT by..."?

2. How does this affect cards like Call of the Haunted and Premature Burial depending on the text on the cards?

Examples of cards that I'm asking about are: Red-Eyes Darkness Dragon, Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon, Horus, Black Flame Dragon Lv. 8.
 
blue-eyes shining dragon and red-eyes darkness dragons are both examples of "nomi" monsters

nomi monsters can only be special summoned one way (or two, dealing with Level Up! compatable monsters), and that way is normally in the card text

YOU CANNOT special summon these monsters by any other means, (except Level Up!), and you CANNOT special summon them back even if they were properly summoned
 
What the heck's a "nomi" monster? Anyway, I was looking for a difference between the cards that say "this monster can only be special summoned by the effect of..." and "this monster can only be special summoned except by the effect of...".
 
Dyne2057 said:
What the heck's a "nomi" monster? Anyway, I was looking for a difference between the cards that say "this monster can only be special summoned by the effect of..." and "this monster can only be special summoned except by the effect of...".

A "nomi" monster, as chaosruler pointed out, is one that can ONLY be Special Summoned one specific way. In play, this usually boils down to "under no circumstances can this card be Special Summoned from the Graveyard OR from the removed from play area".

The word "except" is now being used in the monster effect text to denote these "nomi" monsters. If the card doesn't say "except", it CAN be Special Summoned from the Graveyard/RFP IF it was Special Summoned properly first.

NOMI --> Sorcerer of Dark Magic
This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card cannot be Special Summoned except by offering 2 Level 6 or higher Spellcaster-Type monsters on your side of the field as Tributes. As long as this card remains face-up on the field, you can negate the activation of Trap Cards and destroy them.

If you Special Summoned "Sorcerer of Dark Magic" by tributing 2 LV6+ Spellcasters, and then it got nuked by an "Exiled Force", you cannot revive it with "Premature Burial", "Call of the Haunted", etc. You also cannot revive him from RFP with "Dimension Fusion" or "Return from the Different Dimension". The ONLY way to get him back on the field would be to return him to your hand first, like with "Monster Reincarnation", and then Special Summoning him again by tributing 2 LV6+ Spellcasters.

NOT NOMI --> Silpheed
This card can only be Special Summoned by removing 1 WIND monster in your Graveyard from play. When this card is destroyed and sent to the Graveyard as a result of battle, your opponent discards 1 card randomly from his/her hand.

If you Special Summoned "Silpheed" by removing 1 WIND monster from your Graveyard and then it got nuked by a "Raigeki Break", you CAN revive it with "Premature Burial", "Call of the Haunted", "Monster Reborn", etc. However, if you dumped "Silpheed" into the Graveyard via "Painful Choice", it was never properly Special Summoned in the first place and therefore CANNOT be revived except by returning him to your hand via "Monster Reincarnation", etc. and then Special Summoning him by removing 1 WIND monster from play.

And to further complicate this, some older monsters like "Exodia Necross" and "Berserk Dragon" don't say "except" in the effect text but are still NOMI. The reprints of these cards in DR1 should (hopefully) add the word "except" to them.

Also of complication here is "Harpie Lady Sisters". We (netrep.net) currently show it as a NOMI monster, with the word "except" in the text. This was very recently (and non-publicly) changed by UDE so that the word "except" no longer exists in the text and is therefore no longer NOMI. If it's Special Summoned via "Elegant Egotist" to the field, it can be revived with "Premature Burial", etc. [HLS is not a nomi monster in Japan, and was never that way]

And then you have "Level Up!" like chaosruler pointed out. It's effect specifically states to IGNORE the usual Summoning requirements when using it. So, even though "Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV8" says "except" in it's text, you CAN Special Summon him by sending a "Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV6" to the Graveyard via "Level Up!"'s effect. Of course, if he were to find his way to the Graveyard, the "except" in his effect text will prevent him from coming out again :)

[confused even more now?]
 
Dyne2057 said:
My questions are as follows:

1. What is the difference between a card that says "can ONLY be Special Summoned by..." and "can only be summoned/special summoned EXCEPT by..."?

2. How does this affect cards like Call of the Haunted and Premature Burial depending on the text on the cards?

Examples of cards that I'm asking about are: Red-Eyes Darkness Dragon, Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon, Horus, Black Flame Dragon Lv. 8.


1.)This is a 2 part answer:
- Monsters that state usually "can ONLY be Special Summoned by..." are monsters that can be Special Summoned form the Graveyard/Removed Pile when properly summoned first, but no other effect if it is in your hand. Note: the only exception I know from today is Exodia Necross which states this text, and which is a Nomi monster.
- Monsters that usually state "can only be summoned/special summoned EXCEPT by..." are examples of Nomi monster cards, that cannot be Special Summon at all EXCEPT by the effect states on the actual card. Note: the only exception I know from today is Harpie Lady Sisters that state this text, and which is NOT a Nomi monster.


2.) This is a 2 part answer as well.
- Call of the Haunted/Premature Burial can Special Summon from the graveyard the monsters that state, "can ONLY be Special Summoned by..." that can be Special Summoned in any other form, unless it is in your hand. Exception: No to Exodia Necross
- Call of the Haunted/Premature Burial cannot Special Summon from the graveyard the monsters that state, "can only be summoned/special summoned EXCEPT by..." for the only way to actually Special Summon is by the effec on the card. Exeption: Yes to Harpie Lady Sisters


The example of effect monsters you stated are all Nomi monsters.
 
You know, up until this particular post, I had never, EVER, heard the term "nomi" before. All I want to know is, where in the heck did this come from, and why, oh why, did it stay???
 
The game originates in Japan, the Japanese for "only" is "nomi" (apparently also can mean an itch or to be drinking alcoholic drinks), so they use this term to refer to any monster which can be summoned in one way and ONLY the one way.
 
Why make things so difficult?

Only= ONLY and not only unless it fits in my gameplay.

Example:

Harpie lady sisters.
Text : This card can ONLY be special summoned with the magic card "Elegant Egotist".

Berserk Dragon.
Text : This card can ONLY be Special summoned by the Effect of "A deal with dark ruler".

Red-Eyes Darkness Dragon
Text : This monster cannot be normal summoned or set. This card cannot be special summoned EXCEPT BY tributing 1 "Red-Eyes Black Dragon" on your side of the field.

Silpheed
Text : This card can ONLY be Special summoned by removing 1 Wind monster in your graveyard from play.

Black Luster Soldier - EOB
Text : This card can ONLY be Special Summoned by Removing 1 LIGHT and 1 DARK monster from your graveyard from play.

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE!!!!!

Reviving is a SPECIAL SUMMON so the conditions do matter.
 
I have just checked the card errata for Berserk Dragon.

Berserk dragon does not contain errata. So that card can be special summoned from the graveyard. Same counts for harpie lady sisters.
 
benoit_vc said:
I have just checked the card errata for Berserk Dragon.

Berserk dragon does not contain errata. So that card can be special summoned from the graveyard. Same counts for harpie lady sisters.

"Berserk Dragon" cannot be Normal Summoned or Set, and cannot be Special Summoned EXCEPT by the effect of "A Deal with Dark Ruler". So "Berserk Dragon" cannot be Special Summoned with "Monster Reborn", etc., even if Special Summoned properly first.

Harpie Lady Sisters is an exeption, that can be special summoned if summoned properly first.
 
Why all the fuss about nomi monsters only now, months and months after the concept was originally introduced?

Anyway, here's a good block of text from UDE's Basic Gameplay FAQ that should help explain it to you:

CAN I USE "MONSTER REBORN" ON MY "ARMED DRAGON LV7"? Added January 2005

No, you will never be able to Special Summon "Armed Dragon LV7" with "Monster Reborn" because "Armed Dragon LV7" is a monster that can only be Special Summoned by the method described in its text. These monsters can be identified by the text "This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card cannot be Special Summoned except by "¦". This means that the method described after the "except by" is the only way that monster can ever be Summoned. This prevents it from being Special Summoned from the Graveyard with "Monster Reborn", "Call of the Haunted", or any other effect, even if it was properly Summoned by its own effect first.

Some earlier prints of cards do not have the "This card cannot be Special Summoned except by"¦" text, but are still included in this category of monsters. These cards include "Exodia Necross", "Berserk Dragon", "Mirage Knight", and the XYZ Fusion Monsters.

The original text of "This card can only be Special Summoned by..." continues to be used for simplicity's sake, rather than making a third difference in text which would only serve to confuse people further.

For example, if they had to go back and say that every monster that says "This card can only be Special Summoned by..." should actually say "This card can only initially be Special Summoned by...and may be Special Summoned by other methods after this requirement has been met" would honestly be too much trouble.

So, instead, it's easier to just remember that all monsters with that text can be Special Summoned from the Graveyard if they have already been properly Special Summoned. The only ones that aren't revivable are the ones with "cannot...except by" text.
 
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