Return from the Different Dimension

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StRiKe_NiNjA

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If you were to Special Summon a Fusion Monster by means of Magical Scientist, and the Fusion Monster is placed face-down by say Book of Moon, it doesn't return to the Fusion Deck right? I always thought it doesn't return since the Fusion are Special Summoned face-up, so going face-down, the condition is no longer there.

What about Return from the Different Dimension? I was told that if you were to Special Summon by means by this effect, and the Monster is placed face-down, it still returns RFG?

Now you can see why I rbought up the Magical Scientist logic...
 
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StRiKe_NiNjA said:
If you were to Special Summon a Fusion Monster by means of Magical Scientist, and the Fusion Monster is placed face-down by say Book of Moon, it doesn't return to the Fusion Deck right? I always thought it doesn't return since the Fusion are Special Summoned face-up, so going face-down, the condition is no longer there.

What about Return from the Different Dimension? I was told that if you were to Special Summon by means by this effect, and the Monster is placed face-down, it still returns RFG?

Now you can see why I rbought up the Magical Scientist logic...
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It's because MC's effect looks specifically for a "That Fusion Monster" and a face-down can no longer be that.

The problem is that RFDD does not look for card types or specs, just simply that the monster was summoned by it's effect.

That is where the root of the problem is.

There is no Official Ruling on this.
 
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Turning a monster face-down, does not reset whether the monster is viewed by the game as "summoned this turn" That is not a "condition" it is a characteristic. The game also remembers what type of summon it was, and what effect summoned it. These are all characteristics given to the monster when it is summoned.

The Jowgen rulings seem to suggest otherwise. Infact the Battle Position Change rules also suggest otherwise.

That is where the confusion lies. I honestly can see it going both ways, it is intersting.
 
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In those cases yes, because those are additional restrictions placed based on the game/object information. What i'm refering to is characteristics given to a monster when it is successfully summoned.

For instance, if i Morph a TER, and then it goes to the Graveyard, the game knows that is was not Fusion Summoned, but Special Summoned through Morph, thus you cannot Reborn it. Same with BLS/CED and the infact Toons as well. That is not a "condition" but characteristic information on the monster in question. Information that effects and conditions can use and manipulate.

Using your example, flipping a Toon face-down does not erase the fact that it was summoned that turn, hence you cannot Flip Summon it after the Book, but rather it only removes the attack restriction that was placed based on that.

Fusilier is being re-summoned in a different fashion, and the characteristic is now changed from Normal Summon/Set to Flip Summon, and his effect is based on the first initial summon.
 
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