Royal Decree as a continous trap card

[Gravekeeper]

Ok im cuestioning about this:

Everyone knows that a continous trap card must be face up before an activation of an effect to trigger.. so .. why when I activate in a chain ROYAL DECREE to a response of a mirror force, mirror force is negated in that moment? ... mirror force´s effect will ocurr or not?... same thing whit Imperial Order whit the negation of a spell card...

 

[krazykidpsx]

untill the chain resolves.

you have to remember the point in stuff is activated.

for Royal Decree lets say its.

Trap/trap/trap/ your Royal Decree / their Waboku.

when the chain resolves.

the only thing that will pass through is Waboku the other stuff after Royal Decree or which initially was played before it is now negated.



with Imperial Order is the same thing.

remember the chain ladder.

 

[djp952]

Ok im cuestioning about this:

Everyone knows that a continous trap card must be face up before an activation of an effect to trigger.. so .. why when I activate in a chain Royal Decree to a response of a Mirror Force, Mirror Force is negated in that moment? ... Mirror Force´s effect will ocurr or not?... same thing whit Imperial Order whit the negation of a spell card...

Actually, if you chain Royal Decree to Mirror Force, Mirror Force is not technically negated until the effect of Royal Decree resolves. This means that if Royal Decree is negated and/or destroyed further in the chain, the effect never happens, and Mirror Force resolves normally.

Example A
- Player A activates Mirror Force
- Player B chains Royal Decree
- Player A chains Mystical Space Typhoon, targeting Royal Decree

Resolve. MST destroys Royal Decree. Since it's a continuous trap, it's effect never happens. Mirror Force destroys all of Player B's face-up ATK position monsters.

Example B
- Player A activates Mirror Force
- Player B chains Royal Decree
- Player A chains Trap Jammer

Resolve. Trap Jammer negates and destroys Royal Decree, since Royal Decree's effect has not resolved yet. Mirror Force destroys all of Player B's face-up ATK position monsters.

Example C (Traditional)
- Player A activates Raigeki
- Player B chains with Imperial Order
- Player A chains Mystical Space Typhoon, targeting Imperial Order

Resolve. MST destroys Imperial Order. Since it's a continuous trap, it's effect never happens. Raigeki destroys all of Player B's monsters on the field.

The thing to remember here is that Continuous Traps (as well as Continuous Spells and Equip Spells) must be face-up on the field when their effect resolves, otherwise the effect does not occur.

 

[Gravekeeper]

ok.. let´s remember APPROPRIATE...

PLAYER A: active POT OF GREED
PLAYER B: chain APPROPRIATE ...so in this moment PLAYER B cannot draw until another effect that makes draw to my opponent ocurrs..

so.. this could be the same with royal decree?..
PLAYER A: MIRROR FORCE
PLAYER B: ROYAL DECREE... so if APPROPRIATE do not allows you draw in the same moment why RD negate a trap card in that moment?..

its because RD is a continous effect and the other cards are a multi-trigger efects? I think it´s because that but im not sure.

 

[krazykidpsx]

no because Royal Decree doesnt state "next time your opponent activates a trap card, negate that trap card"

 

[Manta]

Royal Decree is a continous trap card with a continous effect. Appropriate is a continous trap card but with a triggered effect, which makes its rulings markedly different.

 

[densetsu_x]

Further with "Appropriate", you cannot chain it to "Pot of Greed". You have to wait for "Pot of Greed" to resolve and then activate "Appropriate".

 

[skey23]

I sent this issue in to UDE over a year ago to have them update the text on that phrase about 'Continuous Trap Cards'.

It's like Manta said.

The 'Continuous' Trap Cards that have a 'Continuous' effect, like "Royal Decree" and "Imperial Order" CAN be activated in the chain and WILL be active immediately upon resolution.

The 'Continuous' Trap Cards that have a 'Triggered' effect, like "Ultimate Offering" or "Royal Oppression" MUST be activated BEFORE you wish to use their effects in the chain. So you can't activate (flip face-up) "Royal Oppression" in response to "Marauding Captain"s Special Summon effect AND expect to negate that Special Summon.

I asked them to make this distinction between the truly 'Continuous' Trap cards vs. the 'Triggered' Continuous Trap Cards, but NEVER got ANY response back.

 

[novastar]

Appropriate does NOT have a "Trigger" Effect, even though it is event driven it does NOT use the chain, and resolves between links.

It is still by definition a Continuous Effect.

 

[CraniumX]

Just to be clear, if Dust Tornado was set, and the opponent activated Royal Decree, you could use Dust Tornado before it resolved and it would destroy it, yes?

 

[John Danker]

Just to be clear, if Dust Tornado was set, and the opponent activated Royal Decree, you could use Dust Tornado before it resolved and it would destroy it, yes?

Correct.

Chain link 2-Dust Tornado
Chain link 1- Royal Decree

Resolve:

Dust Tornado resolves and destroys Royal Decree

Royal Decree is no longer on the field to resolve and negate Dust Tornado