sakuretsu armor versus gravity bind
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BenjaminMS
The Kozaky show
And then with resolving, the monster gets destroyed 
Timing will only be lost for cards with "declares an attack requirements" if the response window ends (both passing) or if the chain speed-up for SS 3 , right?
And just to confirm: Negate Attack can only be activated imediately in answer to a declared attack and eats TP priority to respond to his own attack, right?
Thanks in advance
And just to confirm: Negate Attack can only be activated imediately in answer to a declared attack and eats TP priority to respond to his own attack, right?
Thanks in advance
masterwoo0
NINJA4LIFE
I dont think its a question of "priority" after your opponent responds to your attack with a Spell Speed 3 effect...
BenjaminMS
The Kozaky show
Cropz said:
Spell Speed... you just CAN'T chain a SS2 to a SS3!
EDIT: Oh... he is SS3... you are right...
Hmm, before anything, I'm assuming TP retains priority after he declares an attack.
Negate Attack is a counter trap, and as such, it must be directly chained to what it's trying to negate, right? Or it's the only exception to this type of card (counter traps)?
Because it could cause strange situations: TP attacks and activates Magician Circle... NTP responds with Negate Attack? Strange, chaining to a card to negate an action?
Negate Attack is a counter trap, and as such, it must be directly chained to what it's trying to negate, right? Or it's the only exception to this type of card (counter traps)?
Because it could cause strange situations: TP attacks and activates Magician Circle... NTP responds with Negate Attack? Strange, chaining to a card to negate an action?
masterwoo0
NINJA4LIFE
It cannot be in any Chain Link. Its a Counter Trap. Counter Traps MUST respond to the event they wish to stop DIRECTLY, not 4 cards down the line.Cropz said:
So if Seven Tools of the Bandit were used, it cannot chain to that.
try reading the above posts.
'Negate Attack' is an exception to the mechanic of Counter Traps, an Attack doesn't have a Spell Speed, so you can't "chain" to it, 'Negate Attack' can be on any Chain Link of the first chain, the scenario Dr Sin provided is legal, though strange.
http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=2227
'Negate Attack' is an exception to the mechanic of Counter Traps, an Attack doesn't have a Spell Speed, so you can't "chain" to it, 'Negate Attack' can be on any Chain Link of the first chain, the scenario Dr Sin provided is legal, though strange.
http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=2227
masterwoo0
NINJA4LIFE
Well, I guess thats why we have a "Judge's List", because exception isnt written on the cards text, and once again, the only way to know that is to get that information from the Judge's List since for all intents and purposes, "Counter Traps" can only counter an event directly.
Wow, living and learning... But it is way too strange...
To be honest, it doesn't seem to be accurate.
Isn't declaration of an attack considered an action? And doesn't it have similar summon "mechanics" ? If this can be done with Negate Attack, then I see no reason why the same can't be done with a summon and Solemn Judgement...
Let's say, TP summons Sangan and as he retains priority he activates Torrential Tribute... NTP chains SJ to Sangan...
Wow, a ton of extreme situations can be created if it is true.
Just absurd.
To be honest, it doesn't seem to be accurate.
Isn't declaration of an attack considered an action? And doesn't it have similar summon "mechanics" ? If this can be done with Negate Attack, then I see no reason why the same can't be done with a summon and Solemn Judgement...
Let's say, TP summons Sangan and as he retains priority he activates Torrential Tribute... NTP chains SJ to Sangan...
Wow, a ton of extreme situations can be created if it is true.
Just absurd.
These are just my feelings on how Counter Traps work.
Counter Traps either respond or chain to something that happens. Whether that be a summoning declaration or an attack declaration. They respond to or chain to something. Such as Solemn Judgment chaining to Dust Tornado that's chained to your Royal Decree that will negate their Widespread Ruin, Call of the Haunted, etc..
Negate Attack has the same activation timing as Magic Cylinder. It has a similar effect as Magic Cylinder just with a slight difference in what it does after it negates the attack.
Negate Attack can directly respond to the declared attack.
The actual real question I would like to have answered is if it eats up the Turn Player's priority to respond to his/her own attack with a Spell Speed 2 or higher effect?
Honestly it doesn't really matter that much considering Negate Attack can still activate directly to the declaration of the attack or in a chain created directly in response to the attack.
Doesn't matter because the timing is still valid. The real question is if Turn Player's priority taken away if Negate Attack is activated or not.
I believe I've read somewhere that Solemn Judgment and Horn of Heaven eat Turn Player's priority when he/she declares a summoning.
So the more important question I think we should resolve is if Negate Attack eats the Turn Player's priority or not.
Because with the whole Sangan/Witch v.s. Solemn Judgment/Horn of Heaven ruling, it has come to my understanding that Counter Traps eat Turn Player's priority.
Meh, I need some food...lol
Counter Traps either respond or chain to something that happens. Whether that be a summoning declaration or an attack declaration. They respond to or chain to something. Such as Solemn Judgment chaining to Dust Tornado that's chained to your Royal Decree that will negate their Widespread Ruin, Call of the Haunted, etc..
Negate Attack has the same activation timing as Magic Cylinder. It has a similar effect as Magic Cylinder just with a slight difference in what it does after it negates the attack.
Negate Attack can directly respond to the declared attack.
The actual real question I would like to have answered is if it eats up the Turn Player's priority to respond to his/her own attack with a Spell Speed 2 or higher effect?
Honestly it doesn't really matter that much considering Negate Attack can still activate directly to the declaration of the attack or in a chain created directly in response to the attack.
Doesn't matter because the timing is still valid. The real question is if Turn Player's priority taken away if Negate Attack is activated or not.
I believe I've read somewhere that Solemn Judgment and Horn of Heaven eat Turn Player's priority when he/she declares a summoning.
So the more important question I think we should resolve is if Negate Attack eats the Turn Player's priority or not.
Because with the whole Sangan/Witch v.s. Solemn Judgment/Horn of Heaven ruling, it has come to my understanding that Counter Traps eat Turn Player's priority.
Meh, I need some food...lol
They don't 'eat up' or 'use up' the Turn Player's priority. The Turn Player retains Priority ONLY if the monster was successfully summoned. And since the monster is not successfully Summoned when "Solemn Judgment" and/or "Horn of Heaven" is used, there isn't anything for the Turn Player to retain Priority to activate.Tkwiget said:
Simon beat me to it. Negate Attack is a special Counter Trap that only has the restrictive timing of Mirror Force, Magic Cylinder, etc. Yes it is weird and has been labeled such. This isn't a Priority issue. It can create its own chain or can be any chain link in the chain responding to the declaration of attack.
-Edit sorry need to wake up this morning. Thanks to Cropz for pointing out my mistake.
-Edit sorry need to wake up this morning. Thanks to Cropz for pointing out my mistake.
Skey I believe you've answered the question, "Does Negate Attack eat up the Turn Player's priority to respond to his/her own declared attack?".
I believe the answer is no. An attack can only be considered successful once you enter the Damage Step. At this point Negate Attack can't be activated. At any time that the Turn Player uses priority, Negate Attack will be in a Chain Block.
Turn Player declares and attack with Archfiend Soldier. (everyone uses Gemini Elf for examples..) In response to his/her own attack he/she activates Rush Recklessly and targets Archfiend Soldier. Passes priority to Player B. Player B chains Negate Attack to Rush Recklessly.
Chain Link 1: Rush Recklessly
Chain Link 2: Negate Attack
Chain Link 2 resolves and Archfiend Soldier's attack is negated and Turn Player's Battle Phase ends.
Negate Attack doesn't eat up any priority since it isn't negating any summoning.
There's only two situations where priority would be ate up by a card effect to my knowledge.
Stumbling and Solemn Judgment/Horn of Heaven v.s. Summonings.
Someone let me know if I've missed something, I tend to do that quite often.
I believe the answer is no. An attack can only be considered successful once you enter the Damage Step. At this point Negate Attack can't be activated. At any time that the Turn Player uses priority, Negate Attack will be in a Chain Block.
Turn Player declares and attack with Archfiend Soldier. (everyone uses Gemini Elf for examples..) In response to his/her own attack he/she activates Rush Recklessly and targets Archfiend Soldier. Passes priority to Player B. Player B chains Negate Attack to Rush Recklessly.
Chain Link 1: Rush Recklessly
Chain Link 2: Negate Attack
Chain Link 2 resolves and Archfiend Soldier's attack is negated and Turn Player's Battle Phase ends.
Negate Attack doesn't eat up any priority since it isn't negating any summoning.
There's only two situations where priority would be ate up by a card effect to my knowledge.
Stumbling and Solemn Judgment/Horn of Heaven v.s. Summonings.
Someone let me know if I've missed something, I tend to do that quite often.