shallow grave

[mikoal]

can u activate shallow grave if no monster is in ur opp grave?

 

[chaosruler]

You may only activate it if each player has at least 1 monster that can be Special Summoned. However, if you use Serial Spell in a chain to The Shallow Grave, and your opponent only has 1 monster in their graveyard, you still get to summon 2 monsters.

-chaosruler

 

[skey23]

No. There must be at least 1 monster in both Graveyards.

[edit]arrrrrgh...beaten again!...I'll get you next time!..and your blue bonnet cat too!

 

[mikoal]

what about the Spear Cretin effect?

 

[chaosruler]

Spear Cretin is a mandatory Flip Effect regardless if you don't have a monster or if they don't have a monster, while you don't HAVE to activate The Shallow Grave.

-chaosruler

 

[skey23]

Supposedly "Spear Cretin"s effect is optional. So your opponent is not required to have a monster in their Graveyard.

[edit]ooh..ooh..we disagree..ooh...ooh....fight!..fight!

 

[chaosruler]

Well, Spear Cretin is activated forcefully whenever it is destroyed after being flipped face-up. It doesn't check for activation conditions, because the only condition is that is was flipped face-up prior to dying. Spear Cretin cares not if both players have a monster.

-chaosruler

 

[mikoal]

ok thanks guys

 

[skey23]

Gasp!..

Could it be?...The Netrep files have led me astray once again!?..I refuse to believe it!


In any rate, you have the answer to your question. I guess it's not any big thing to find out whether the effect is mandatory or optional......*sigh*..

 

[Digital Jedi]

Spell Cards can't have thier activation forced like a Flip Effect monster can. They must played and you have a choice to play it or not play it. A Flip Effect monster activates no matter what (when flipped) then resolves as much as it can or not at all.

 

[anthonyj]

Supposedly "Spear Cretin"s effect is optional. So your opponent is not required to have a monster in their Graveyard.

[edit]ooh..ooh..we disagree..ooh...ooh....fight!..fight!

Spear Cretin's effect is not optional. You can't choose to not summon a monster if you have 1 in the grave.

 

[skey23]

Ok, apparently I need to clarify my statement.

I NEVER said the FLIP effect was optional. The effect that is 'supposedly' optional is NOT the FLIP effect, but the act of Special Summoning a monster.

Anybody playing this game knows FLIP effects are mandatory unless specifically negated by another card effect ("Ceasefire").

 

[chaosruler]

Or if they say you may, or up to #, etc.

-chaosruler

 

[skey23]

Spear Cretin's effect is not optional. You can't choose to not summon a monster if you have 1 in the grave.

Hence why I said 'supposedly'.
Hence why I also referenced the Netrep rulings in a subsequent posting.

 

[Digital Jedi]

Not the best choice of wording either, skey, no offence. The fact that the effect may resolve without effect (no monster to Specia Summon) does not make any part of the effect optional. The effect is mandatory from activation (Flip) to resolution (Special Summon).

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

Or if they say you may, or up to #, etc.

-chaosruler

Still mandatory.

If you don't want to return any monsters by Penguin Soldier's effect, its effect still activates and you DO select "0" monsters on the field, and then return those 0 monsters to the hand when Penguin Soldier's effect resolves, unless it was negated by Divine Wrath for example.

 

[chaosruler]

True, true, so I mispoke.

-chaosruler