skill drain vs double coston

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If Skill Drain is active, will you still be able to use the effect of Double Coston? I am not sure if Double Coston's effect is happening while it is on the field or in the graveyard.
 
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From the UDE FAQ:
"While "Skill Drain" is active you cannot Tribute a face-up "Kaiser Seahorse" to Tribute Summon a Level 7 or higher LIGHT monster. However, you can Tribute a face-down "Kaiser Seahorse"."

And since "Kaiser Seahorse" has the 'same effect' as "Double Coston", the same ruling should apply.
 
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Okay, now THAT one makes no sense to me....can anybody elaborate on this one for me? I know there were issues a while back about similar situations tributing a face down Red Eyes B. Chick and face down Kaibaman. Is there something related to this?
 
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Hmm, okay, I'm missing something fundamental here. I know some effects happen regardless if they are face up or face down on the field, like Sangan. But I think this is more of the reason that it activates in the graveyard.

So if you took that, then Milus Radiant or something like that could still boost while face down, but that doesn't work as we all know.

But for it to work while face down, where does it actually check the condition? At the point of tribute? But then it would have to be face up for you to see in, in which case Skill Drain negates....

Aaack....now I'm getting confused. Last time I have THIS late of a lunch 8^D
 
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Okay try to picture it this way:

Since you can't tribute a monster for no reason there has to be a summon or an effect that is responsible for the monster heading to the grave.

A face-down Kaibaman can't use his own effect while face down because he has to be face up to use his effect to tribute himself as the cost for his effect. He can still do so with Skill Drain active because Skill Drain only stops a face-up monster from resolving its effect and he has already sent himself to the graveyard as a cost to activate (like Exiled Force).

Now in the case of Kaiser Sea Horse the source of the tribute is the LV 7 or higher monster in hand that is being summoned. Blue Eyes wants to come to the field and has to tribute away 2 monsters or a monster that has an effect that counts for 2 monsters. Skill Drain prevents Blue Eyes from seeing the Kaiser Sea Horse as a 2 trib monster because it's effect is being negated while face-up. When Kaiser is face down Skill Drain isn't preventing Blue Eyes from seeing the effect.
 
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Hmm, I think I'm following things now, but it just seems a little odd to me because Blue Eyes is sort of acting like it has knowledge of who the face down Kaiser is when everybody else doesn't. Does that follow then that if I Book of Moon my opponent's Kaiser face down, and then use Soul Exchange on it to summon my own Blue Eyes, that that would work?

EDIT: I'm not trying to be difficult, just trying to wrap my head around things 8^D
 
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From my understanding (which is still in the process of understanding everything about the game) is that if a monster that's like Kaibaman or Kaiser Sea Horse are tributed while face down, the effect wouldn't work because these kind of effects have to be face up. Kaibaman even says for one of it's rulings that you can't tribute it for it's effect while face down. The same should apply to Kaiser Sea Horse, Trojan Horse, Double Coston, Flame Ruler, etc..

This of course is just how I see it.
 
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Dillie-O said:
Hmm, I think I'm following things now, but it just seems a little odd to me because Blue Eyes is sort of acting like it has knowledge of who the face down Kaiser is when everybody else doesn't. Does that follow then that if I Book of Moon my opponent's Kaiser face down, and then use Soul Exchange on it to summon my own Blue Eyes, that that would work?

EDIT: I'm not trying to be difficult, just trying to wrap my head around things 8^D
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Your Blue Eyes does know who the face down Kaiser is, and just as we learned with the Soul Exchange/Metamorphosis ruling even if you Book of Moon the opponents monster once it is face down "You don't know what it is" ;)
 
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It's a Continuous Condition Effect? @_@ What a mouth full to say..

At least it's one of those card effects that have the ability to work even while face down.
 
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So the tribute portion of the action that is being taken place is where the effect activates? If that's the case then wouldn't it resolve in the Graveyard?
 
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Tkwiget said:
So the tribute portion of the action that is being taken place is where the effect activates? If that's the case then wouldn't it resolve in the Graveyard?
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The effect doesn't "activate". It is a continuous effect that allows it to be tributed in the place of 2 monsters for a tribute summon.
 
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I'd be wary of making that equivocation. That's sort of how all this chaos and confusion started in the first place.

I'd say think of it more like a condition that applies while face down. Just like how you can remove face down monsters in play for the effect of Puppet Magic of Dark Ruler, you can use a face down Kaiser Sea Horse as a double tribute for Blue Eyes. Where exactly you tack down the "check" for its effect is still uncertain for me, but I understand a bit more how the ruling applies.
 
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