Special Summon from Graveyard

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Wizit

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Hello

This question is about those monsters which have particular special summoning conditions and then go to the graveyard. Can these cards (Horus LV8, Vampire Genesis, Fusion Monsters etc) be special summoned from the graveyard by such cards as Book of Life, Call of the Haunted etc.

I believe the answer is 'yes' but would appreciate some formal and official direction in this regard.

Thanks
Wizit
 
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I believe that they can be as long as they were special summoned the first time the correct way and that the card text does not contain the words "cannot be special summoned (except by). For example, by summoning a fusion monster with meta or a replacement fusion material monster, you may not special summon it back to the field. You may still want more backup on that.
 
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As long as the monster does not have the word EXCEPT then you can as long as you Special Summoned it properly. [This card can only be Special Summoned ...] for example would be able to be Special Summoned from the Graveyard if Summoned properly before, like Valkyrion the Magna Warrior for example. [This card can only be Special Summoned through Fusion Summon, This card can only be Special Summoned except by] would be examples of those that must always be Summoned that way and that way only. Of course there are exceptions to the rules as always.
 
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There are other monsters which can not be revived from the graveyard as well, like for instance Dark Ruler Ha-Des, which states that it can't be summoned from the grave, but regardless of that it is NOT a nomi monster, as it can still be special summoned by other means, from the deck or from the DD.
 
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Wizit said:
Hello

This question is about those monsters which have particular special summoning conditions and then go to the graveyard. Can these cards (Horus LV8, Vampire Genesis, Fusion Monsters etc) be special summoned from the graveyard by such cards as Book of Life, Call of the Haunted etc.

I believe the answer is 'yes' but would appreciate some formal and official direction in this regard.

Thanks
Wizit
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Ok, lets see if I can make it as simple and understandable as possible.

Cards that have the text 'cannot be Special Summoned except by' are what we call NOMI monsters. That means they can only be Special Summoned 1 way, and ONLY that way. So if they go to the Graveyard, or are removed from play, they cannot be brought back via an effect that Special Summons them, no matter what. Some cards that fit into this category are: "Archlord Zerato", "Berserk Dragon", "Exodia Necross", "Sorcerer of Dark Magic", etc..

Now, up until recently (EEN), most of the higher level LV monsters were considered to be NOMI. "Armed Dragon LV7", "Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV8", etc... But with the release of "Level Modulation", these NOMI LV monsters can now be brought back from the Graveyard if, and only if, they were Special Summoned properly to begin with. And by that, I mean through the effect of the LV monster below them, i.e. "Armed Dragon LV5" or "Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV4", etc... So these few have become an exception to the rule.

There are also NOMI Fusion Monsters. "Dark Paladin" and all of the "Elemental Hero" Fusions fall into this category. Basically, they can't be Special Summoned by any means other than a proper Fusion Summon. So, no "Metamorphosis", no "Cyber-Stein", no "Magical Scientist", etc... The "XYZ" Fusions are also NOMI, but they are more like regular NOMI monsters from above than the Fusion NOMIs I just listed because they aren't Special Summoned by Fusion Summon at all. They still can't be brought out with "Metamorphosis", or "Cyber-Stein".

Ok, that's pretty much it for NOMI, now onto the others!..lol.

Cards that have the text 'can only be Special Summoned by' have the ability to be returned from both the Graveyard and from removed from play, but if, and only if, they were Special Summoned properly to begin with. Cards that fit this category are "Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning", "Chaos Sorcerer", "Fenrir", "Lava Golem", etc... Also, with these cards, the summoning restriction is for when you are trying to summon the monster from your hand. You can't perform the summoning tasks to Special Summon the monster from your Graveyard. For example, "Fenrir" requires that I remove 2 Water Monsters from my Graveyard from play. If I were to have discarded my "Fenrir" for the effect of "Abyss Soldier", I could not then try to remove 2 Water Monsters from my Graveyard from play to Special Summon "Fenrir" from the Graveyard. I would also not be able to remove 2 Water Monsters to try to Special Summon "Fenrir" with "Call of the Haunted", or "Premature Burial" either.

Hope this helps!
 
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Er..? They won't be 'properly' Summoned, because the card is FUSION, and they state they are SPECIAL summoned, not fusion summoned. So they can't be revived, because of this...
 
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VWXYZ-Dragon Catapult Cannon is different from XYZ-Dragon Cannon.

XYZ cannot be Special Summon "except" by. Which means it can only ever be Special Summoned from the Fusion Deck, period.

VWXYZ-Dragon Catapult Cannon states that it can only be Special Summoned from the Fusion Deck. Since you dont perform a Fusion Summon of this monster, it will always be a simple Special Summon (although it is not so easy to accomplish), and that means that this Fusion Monster, that was Special Summoned, can be Special Summoned from the Graveyard, and Remove from Play, but cannot be Special Summoned by the effect of

Summoner of Illusions
Cyber-Stein
Metamorphosis

VW-Tiger Catapult follows the same principle for summoning and being reborn.
 
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This ruling has been REMOVED from the official FAQ:


Removed as in it is no longer correct. Because powers that be don't believe in sticking with rulings, of course they'd rather you believe that this ruling has never existed, after all, Kevin and others tell us that its because the text is different. Which is a bunch of hogwash. (Yugioh text is pretty meaningless)
 
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In other words, they are just regular Nomi after all, so they can be properly summoned.

This is an example of wrong explanation for a ruling. The ruling is the same, but the Reasoning behind it was not given by Konami's game designer so when new rulings came out, the Reasoning didn't match up.

So what of that old ruling of XYZ and revival? If only they had kept that up to this point. Another fine example of bad explanations.
 
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DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
This ruling has been REMOVED from the official FAQ:

Removed as in it is no longer correct. Because powers that be don't believe in sticking with rulings, of course they'd rather you believe that this ruling has never existed, after all, Kevin and others tell us that its because the text is different. Which is a bunch of hogwash. (Yugioh text is pretty meaningless)
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Mmm... removed huh? That was the ruling I thought of.. but since it is removed, it doesn't apply anymore... ow well... making it clear and consistent is always better.
 
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drzero7 said:
Yeah, kinda sucks that cards like Chaos Sorcerer, if discarded by the effects of say Graceful Charity or Merchant, it's a nomi unless you use Pot of Avarice on it, put it back to your deck, redraw Chaos Sorcerer, and summon it properly. Even if you remove it from play Chaos Sorcerer from the graveyard, it's STILL a nomi and RftDD cannot special summon it.
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Wrong. Chaos Sorcerer is NOT a nomi monster.

Nomi means that a monster can NEVER be special summoned except by the effect/conditions that is/are on the card.

Chaos Sorcerer cannot be special summoned when discarded because it is not properly summoned. That does NOT make him nomi.
 
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I do this alot, but it bears repeating, as repitition is the mother of retention:

Non-nomi: This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card can only be Special Summoned by...

Nomi: This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card cannot be Special Summoned except by...​

Notice the words that Nomi's do not share with non-nomi's.
 
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