Spirit Reaper

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If Spirit Reaper is in the Graveyard and he reborn with Book of Life its destroyed by its own effect or not.....

If Spirit Reaper is special summon by the effect of Pyramid Turtle its destroyed by its own effect or not.....

:so: ????
 
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They really need to get either a clearer ruling on Spirit Reaper or Show clearer examples of cards and their interactions with him.

I don't know how many times I hear in passing,

Player 1
"I activate Compulsory Evacuation Device on your face-up Spirit Reaper"

Player 2
"Does it return to my hand?"

Player 1
"No. It's destroyed by his effect."

You try to correct them, but if you aren't Judging, they pay no mind, and there's only so far you can go as a Spectator or Player.
 
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The problem is that the text doesnt state that is has to be on the field. A card can be destroyed while it is in your hand or deck too. e.g. Chain Destruction.
So according to the text when I target it with e.g. The Forceful Sentry it could destroy itself.

I know that its ruling 6. clearly states anything just it is not on the card. So this is a BKSS ruling. I dont like those.
 
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Fury said:
The problem is that the text doesnt state that is has to be on the field. A card can be destroyed while it is in your hand or deck too. e.g. Chain Destruction.
So according to the text when I target it with e.g. The Forceful Sentry it could destroy itself.

I know that its ruling 6. clearly states anything just it is not on the card. So this is a BKSS ruling. I dont like those.
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But it doesnt need to say that it can only happen on the field. Generally, a monster doesnt have an effect while it is in your hand, or else it would be subject to Skill Drain.

A monster's effect is only active when it hits either the Graveyard (e.g. Twin-Headed Behemoth), the Field (e.g. Zaborg the Thunder Monarch), or Removed from Play (e.g. D. D. Scout Plane). When it returns to hand, the Card Effect Text only tells you how the card can be played, like Cyber Dragon, The Fiend Megacyber, or Cave Dragon.

If a card destroys another card in your Hand or Deck (such as Chain Destruction), it is the effect of "that" card, and not Spirit Reaper's effect.
 
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Fury said:
The problem is that the text doesnt state that is has to be on the field. A card can be destroyed while it is in your hand or deck too. e.g. Chain Destruction.
So according to the text when I target it with e.g. The Forceful Sentry it could destroy itself.

I know that its ruling 6. clearly states anything just it is not on the card. So this is a BKSS ruling. I dont like those.
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Thats not a BKSS. Monsters have no effect in the Hand or Deck unless an effect specifically says so. That's a general rule. Chain Destruction has an effect that destroys a card in the deck. That has no bearing on the rule that Monsters have no effect in the Deck.
 
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Fury said:
The problem is that the text doesnt state that is has to be on the field. A card can be destroyed while it is in your hand or deck too. e.g. Chain Destruction.
So according to the text when I target it with e.g. The Forceful Sentry it could destroy itself.

I know that its ruling 6. clearly states anything just it is not on the card. So this is a BKSS ruling. I dont like those.
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I'll grant you that Spirit Reaper's wording is vague but as there have been many rulings to give us pretty exacting standards on how the effect works your example wouldn't work. Spirit Reaper only triggers "after" the effect that is targeting it has resolved, in the case of The Forceful Sentry that would mean he is back in the deck before he realized he had been successfully targeted, and since we have been given information that his effect is only "active" on the field (otherwise he would blow himself up after being returned to the hand by Penguin Soldier) then there really is no need for debate about what he "should" do.

That would be better left to new card suggestions and a possible Reaper variant such as maybe "Paranoid Reaper, Psycho Reaper, or Trigger-Happy Reaper" that blows himself up where ever he is at the instant anything targets him. :)
 
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Sorry for the misunderstanding here, really!
I just wanted to point out that its 'how to play/use' is not written on the card. They had the intention that the effect should work so, but they didnt print it on it, so they made a specific ruling for the card. They make this for most popular cards because the texts on the cards and not exact enough.
In this case the 'while on the field' part is missing. But you know that I just wanted to point it out.

Else: Metalzoa's effect is the Deck as far as I can remember.

And I dont understand this:
masterwooO said:
Generally, a monster doesnt have an effect while it is in your hand, or else it would be subject to Skill Drain.
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Yup. One of my pet peeves. ;)

There are some general rules to this game though, where you text doesn't neccasarilly have to say everything that it does. Effect Monsters not being active while face-down for example. Or Effect monstrs having no effect while in the hand or Deck. I guess you get to a point where you have to have rulings to clarify what an effect is trying to say, even when the effect is relatively clear so as to avoid confusion. Makes for less space used up an the cards too. :D ;)
 
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Fury, what I was trying to say is, if monsters in hand had active effects before they hit the field, I'm sure Skill Drain would extend to the hand as well.

Can you imagine the havoc that would cause on the game?

You wouldnt be able to use Mobius the Frost Monarch, Cyber Dragon would have to be tributed no matter what if he is in your hand, Cave Dragon would never have to worry about whats on the field, etc...

Basically, Skill Drain would be another highly broken card, especially with only one Book of Moon.
 
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Yea, the 'deafult'-s have to be written somewhere if not on the cards but most likely they are very incomplete even so.

There are many good cards with effects in hand like Cyber Dragon or Kuriboh and Cyber is quite new. I dont think KONAMI will release a new version of Skill Drain that doesnt has the 'on the field' part.
But I dont get what's with Mobius here ?!
 
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