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It's as if we can't get enough of knowing what set comes after the set coming next.

Yes, it's been announced. The set after Force of the Breaker is...Tactical Evolution. Almost nothing is known about it, but here's all we know so far:

  1. The set has been bumped up from 60 cards to 80 cards.
  2. There is a new type of card (ex. Spirit, Toon, Union). It's called Dual Monsters. They're monsters that are Normal monsters when summoned, but when they are Reverse Summoned (new term. not sure what it means), they get their amazing effects.
  3. Gembeast - Rainbow Dragon is in this set.
  4. And finally, there's a gargantuan of a monster in this set. Here it is:
Venominage, The Deity of Venomous Serpents
Effect Monster (DARK/Reptile/10 Stars/ATK 0/DEF 0)
This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card can only be Special Summoned by the effect of "Descent of the Serpent Deity" (another card from the set.) Increase the ATK of this card by 500 points for every Reptile in your graveyard. This card is unaffected by Monster, Spell, and Trap effects. By removing 1 Reptile-type monster from your graveyard from play when this card is destroyed and sent to the graveyard by battle, you can Special Summon this card from your graveyard. A player who takes battle damage from this card will automatically lose the duel in 3 turns.

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Can you say "ALIENS"?

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Yay.
 
Vernominage looks good... well of course it depends on the Summoning condition on the "Descent blah blah blah" spell card, but so far it looks pretty great.

Reverse Summon in Japanese game is the same as a Flip Summon.
 
New system: "Dual Monster" (monster that can be treated as a Normal monster and an Effect monster)
TAEV-JP019
Hell Kaiser Dragon
Fire/Dragon - Dual/6/2400/1500
When this card is face-up on the field or in Graveyard, treat this card as a Normal monster. When you resummon this card treated it as a Normal Summon when this card is face-up on the field, this card becomes an effect monster and gains the following effect.
- This card can attack two times in a Battle Phase
Ultra/Ultimate Rare

Poison Venom Lord - Venominaga
Dark/Reptile/10/0/0
(Effect unknown)

Elemental Hero Dark Brightman
Dark/Warrior/6/2000/1000
[E-Hero Sparkman] + [E-Hero Necro Darkman]
This card cannot be special summon outside of by Fusion Summon. (????)
Ultra/Ultimate Rare

Dimensional Tunnel - Mirror Gate -
Trap - Normal
When a face-up [E-Hero] monster on your field is target of attack, this card can be activate during attack declaration. (????)
Ultra/Ultimate Rare
 
Machinefreak said:
It's as if we can't get enough of knowing what set comes after the set coming next.

Yes, it's been announced. The set after Force of the Breaker is...Tactical Evolution. Almost nothing is known about it, but here's all we know so far:
  1. The set has been bumped up from 60 cards to 80 cards.
  2. There is a new type of card (ex. Spirit, Toon, Union). It's called Dual Monsters. They're monsters that are Normal monsters when summoned, but when they are Reverse Summoned (new term. not sure what it means), they get their amazing effects.
  3. Gembeast - Rainbow Dragon is in this set.
  4. And finally, there's a gargantuan of a monster in this set. Here it is:
Venominage, The Deity of Venomous Serpents
Effect Monster (DARK/Reptile/10 Stars/ATK 0/DEF 0)
This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card can only be Special Summoned by the effect of "Descent of the Serpent Deity" (another card from the set.) Increase the ATK of this card by 500 points for every Reptile in your graveyard. This card is unaffected by Monster, Spell, and Trap effects. By removing 1 Reptile-type monster from your graveyard from play when this card is destroyed and sent to the graveyard by battle, you can Special Summon this card from your graveyard. A player who takes battle damage from this card will automatically lose the duel in 3 turns.

...

Can you say "ALIENS"?

...

Yay.
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Reverse Summoned is the OCG way of saying "Flip Summon". Nothing new about that. The term I think you were looking for was "Re-Summoned" of which the full mechanics has not been explained yet. Have to wait for the set to come out in May (In Japan) before it's explained fully.

As for the effect of Venominage... care to quote the source? I mean, the rest of the information in this thread I saw on DMComet.net (again people, POST YOUR SOURCES and GIVE CREDIT). But this one is new. And even if you know Japanese and was able to translate the effect, again Credit the Source.
 
Sorry yeah mine was from dmcomet simply posted cos this thread started. The venominaga effect is the anime effect and i highly doubt its gonna be the real effect.


Copied from an irish forum I go on now. www.skylerr.tk

From Evilsbane

Dimensional Tunnel - Mirror Gate
Normal Trap
This card can only be activated during the Battle Phase when a monster attacks. Switch the control of the attacking monster and another monster on the opponent's side of the field, the battle will conduct as normally.

Venominaga the Deity of Venomous Serpents
DARK/Reptile/Effect/10/0/0
This card can only be Special Summoned by the effect of [Descent of the Serpent Lord]. Increase this card's ATK by 500 points for each Reptile-Type monster in your Graveyard. This card is unaffected the effects of Spell, Trap, or Monster Effects other than this card. By removing 1 Reptile-Type monster in the Graveyard from play when this card is destroyed and sent to the Graveyard as a result of battle, you can Special Summon this card from your Graveyard. A player who takes Battle Damage from this card will lose the duel after 3 turns.

Elemental Hero Dark Brightman
DARK/Warrior/Fusion/Effect/?/2000/1000
"Elemental Hero Necroshade" + "Elemental Hero Sparkman"
This card can only be Special Summoned by a Fusion Summon. At the End of the Damage Step in which this card attacked, it switched to Defense Position. When this card is destroyed, destroy 1 monster on your opponent's side of the field.

Bear in mind that these are only the animé effects, and are subject to change (and Venominaga will almost definitely be watered down).
 
Part of the Mirror Gate translation has the battle involving an Elemental Hero.

As for Venominaga, that could very well be it's real effect. Of course that "Summoned by the effect of" part could be damn next to impossible to get out.

That said... Diamond Dude to the Rescue! (Unless it's a Quickplay or Continuous Spell Card in which case oh well.)
 
That Venominaga effect can't be 100% real. It's immune to every monster/trap/spell AND it's also cannot be destroyed in battle AND you win in 3 freaking turn. Unless you can beat out your foe in 3 turns, (Which would be hard against an invincible monster, cannot be destroyed in battle and uneffected by any card effect) or have multiple Roar/Waboku/Kuriboh ready.
 
As unlinkely as it sounds, Venominaga isn't completely invincible. Like Densetsu_x said before, Venominaga is almost impossible to summon. It says that it can only be Special Summoned by the effect of "Descent of the Serpent Deity", which can only be activated when Venominaga's lesser form, Venominon, is destroyed.

And for all you guys who say "Descent of the Serpent Deity" is a Spell...hate to break it to ya, but...it's a trap. Yeah

Also, like requested before, I'll list my source.

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Tactical_Evolution
 
That works... and even if it does hit the field, it can still be tributed off for Lava Golem. :) Not to mention as a Trap Card we have the "Standard List of Defeating Traps" so yeah make it really hard to get off, but worth it if you do. I mean, Victory Dragon was hard but worth it (at least in the OCG where you can't concede the round if your opponent doesn't want you to).
 
Dude, at least Victory Dragon CAN be stopped. All you do is to stop me from attacking your LP to 0. And Spell/trap/Kuriboh does that job. This thing is 100% immune to everything. yeah, Lava Golem is a COST not an effect so the tribute does work... but you're gunna run 3x Lava Golem in sidedeck just to counter this card?

In the anime, it was a Trap, but who knows. And again, does everybody needs to run 3x Royal Decree+Jinzo just to stop this card?

Seriously, the power is a bit too broken.
 
The Descent-blah-blah-blah thing is a Trap? Okay I guess it's watered down a little bit then... and I am still wondering why I just assume the card is a Spell card...
 
Just noticed that they don't lose in 3 turns. They lose if 3 counters are placed on him. He gets 1 counter when he inflicts damage
 
Yeah. Read that too. That's actually more fare. As long as you put every monster in DEF position and slowly remove those Reptiles from the graveyard, you have a chance. But still, uneffected by all monster effect/spell/trap is kinda broken.
 
Well, I think it's fair. It's not the easiest card to get out (although easier than some), and it gives Reptiles a good powerhouse. We all want diversity, more strong Deck types, and this provides another one.

Besides, it's not as though you can't get past the monster. Lava Golem, for one. And it's not as though everyone is going to run it anyway.
 
It is easier than some to get out. All that it requires is for Venominom to be destroyed so you can activate the trap card to bring out Venominaga. Now, while we're still waiting for the "official" text on things, let's assume for the moment that the translations are accurate for the purpose of debate.

Mausoleum of the Emperor provides your quick way to bring Vernominom to field for 2000 life points. Since it doesn't say how he has to be destroyed (though I am going to assume it has to be sent to the Graveyard otherwise cards like Bottomless Trap Hole would work too), your own Torrential Tribute can work. Or your opponent could help you out with Deck Devastation Virus and destroy it while in your hand.

As we were debating on another forum, once Venominaga does come out, you're pretty much faced with only 1 of 2 ways to get it off the field.

1) Lava Golem as mentioned (the best all purpose monster removal card in the game. Only effects that prevent Special Summoning like Jowgen the Spiritualist, The Last Warrior from Another Planet, Barrier Statues [except the Fire Statue], etc. can prevent him from coming out).

2) Attack your opponent's Graveyard. Soul Release out all the Reptiles in there to either a) make sure Venominaga's strength is so weakened it will die in combat and can't come back or b) it will die in combat to something like Dark Magician of Chaos at which point it's continuous effect of "total protection" ends and it gets removed from play.

Yeah... good luck with those though.
 
I still say it won't be as popular as it could be, mainly because it's not called "Cyber Something" or "Staple Monarch" or "Technicolour Gadget". Okay, perhaps I'm not being entirely serious there.

Also, while Reptiles are nice and all, any Deck with Venominage in needs to be predominantly Reptiles, which reduces the number of "staple" monsters that can fit in it. And people won't like that.

Is my thought.


densetsu_x said:
Venominom
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Do dooo di-do do.
 
Yeah before we start slagging Reptiles as a theme here (after all, the only real Reptile theme currently out there are the Aliens which though are being developed rather nicely and could be a strong support), let's actually wait to see the full spoiler list. We're talking about the big 2 Reptiles, but I'm sure there will be plenty of Venom-themed support cards as well so for all we know it could be as strong as the Six Samurai out of the box (probably not but who's to say?)

Maruno said:
densetsu_x said:
Venominom
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Do dooo di-do do.
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That was wonderful Bravo
I loved that Oh it was great
Well it was pretty good Well it wasn't bad
Well there were parts of it that weren't very good at all
It could have been a lot better
I didn't really like it It was pretty terrible
It was bad It was awful
Hey take them away BOO! BOO!
 
densetsu_x said:
That was wonderful Bravo
I loved that Oh it was great
Well it was pretty good Well it wasn't bad
Well there were parts of it that weren't very good at all
It could have been a lot better
I didn't really like it It was pretty terrible
It was bad It was awful
Hey take them away BOO! BOO!
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Sounds like the typical Hype Cycle, running amuck again....
 
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