Trap Hole and ATK boosting effects

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FelixChCh

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Something I had not thought about but which came up in a game ...

A Legendary ocean is on my side of the field, along with Star Boy, so all water monsters get a boost of 700 ATK. I summoned a 1000 ATK water monster and my 6 year old trap holed it. I blinked. He insisted he was correct. I think he was, but I threw a tantrum and refused to play anyhow.

I can't do anything about my behaviour, or being whipped by a 6 year old, but I think he made a good call. Is this right?
 
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If your WATER monster was already 1000 ATK before the boost, he'd be able to Trap Hole it anyway.

Let's say instead that the monster only had 300 ATK (Sinister Serpent). You would include the +700 total ATK boost when determining whether you can Trap Hole the monster or not.
 
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I must always read my posts * 1000

Blue-Eyes Black said:
If your WATER monster was already 1000 ATK before the boost, he'd be able to Trap Hole it anyway.

Let's say instead that the monster only had 300 ATK (Sinister Serpent). You would include the +700 total ATK boost when determining whether you can Trap Hole the monster or not.
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Good call - I meant Bottomless Trap Hole, but I guess the message is that the kid was right.
 
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FelixChCh said:
Good call - I meant Bottomless Trap Hole, but I guess the message is that the kid was right.
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Yeah. Let's say the monster had 800 ATK base.

800 ATK + 500 ATK (from Star Boy) + 200 ATK (from A Legendary Ocean) = 1500 ATK, just enough for a Bottomless Trap Hole to be used.
 
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This is an easy one, but you have to understand the dynamics of priority. It will help you understand other situations as well. When you summoned your 1000 ATK monster to the field, you maintain priority. Your opponent cannot play Bottomless Trap Hole until you pass priority to them. Therefore, any effects that are active get applied and you can use your monster's effect, and play any quick play spell cards or traps, all before your opponent can respond. Only cards that negate summons can be activated by an opponent as they are considered to be activated before a summon. Hope that clarifies any situation that comes up when you summon a monster. If your opponent acts out of turn, just remind them that you have the priority and wish to use it before them.
 
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Not quite. Priority has nothing to do with Continuous Effects. Continuous Effects are always 'on'. When the 800 ATK monster (in your hand) comes into play, it is immediately increased to 1500. There is no point of chaining and no effects resolve in regards to continuous effects. They all happen at the same time.

This becomes more visible if instead of using Bottomless Trap Hole, you use King Tiger Wanghu. If the monster that is summoned falls under the ATK value for King Tiger Wanghu's effect, King Tiger Wanghu will use up what is commonly referred to as summoning priority. However, if the monster were to be boosted by continuous effects (like that of Star Boy and A Legendary Ocean) to be above King Tiger Wanghu's threshold, King Tiger Wanghu's effect will not trigger. It is then that summoning priority becomes an issue.

The general idea is correct, but I get a bit nitpicky when people use the term priority too freely (especially since its definition seems to keep changing . . . [and no DON'T get me started on that])
 
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okay dlaanan say i summon exiled force while king tiger is on the field.

i cant use exiled force's effect because he is already dead the moment i summon it right?

there is no attack boost on the field so i figure its dead, no effect no nothing because something already destroyed it as soon as it hit the field.

OR

would i get priority to destroy king tiger with exiled forces' effect?
 
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Exiled Force is summoned to the field.
King Tiger Wanghu's triggered effect goes on the chain and resolves. Exiled Force is destroyed. You may not use Exiled Force's effect in this situation.
 
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Dlanaan said:
Exiled Force is summoned to the field.
King Tiger Wanghu's triggered effect goes on the chain and resolves. Exiled Force is destroyed. You may not use Exiled Force's effect in this situation.
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Can you chain "Ring of Destruction" to the effect of King Tiger Wanghu?
 
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Raigekick said:
Can you chain "Ring of Destruction" to the effect of King Tiger Wanghu?
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You can chain RoD to any effect that is not spell speed 3 (counter traps). So yes you can Chain RoD to KTW and RoD will destroy the monster instead of KTW.

Spot's Knight
 
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