TT vs. Effect Monsters : Priority

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roadhouse007

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I actually have two questions here, but both are very closely related.

First :
Player A has 3 face down M/T and a "Sangan" face up on the field.
Player B is the turn player and tributes his face down monster to summon "Mobius the Frost Monarch" to the field.
The summon happens and player B declares to destroy the M/T in zones 1 and 3. Player A declares to chain "Torrential Tribute" after the monster is summoned, which sits in his 2nd M/T zone.
My question is would the effect of Mobius still destroy the other 2 M/T cards because it was tribute summoned successfully, or does the spell speed of the effect cause the effect to fizzle?

Next :
Player A has one monster face down and a face up defence "Sangan" on the field. He also has one M/T set.
Player B has a BLS-EOTB on the field, and declares to summon a "Chaos Sorcerer". Chaos Sorcerer is summoned and player A chains "Torrential Tribute".
I know from a post I saw last week that being the turn player, player B can use priority to use Chaos Sorcerer remove from play effect on Sangan in chain to opponents trap. My question is after this is declared and player A has a chance to respond and doesn't, can Player B then use the BLS-EOTB to remove the face down monster as well?

I appreciate all replys, but would like the official UDE ruling if anyone can help me.
 
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First: Mobius does not need to be on the field when its effect resolves, so the other 2 s/t are destroyed.

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Player A may not chain to a summon.

Player B when summoned has the first opportunity to respond to the summon and could activate Chaos Sorcerer's effect, or BLS's effect. Player A could chain Torrential Tribute to the effect of Chaos Sorceror. BLS-EofTB's effect is spell speed 1 ignition and could never chain to anything, it cannot chain to Chaos Sorceror's effect.
 
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DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
Player B when summoned has the first opportunity to respond to the summon and could activate Chaos Sorcerer's effect, or BLS's effect. Player A could chain Torrential Tribute to the effect of Chaos Sorceror. BLS-EofTB's effect is spell speed 1 ignition and could never chain to anything, it cannot chain to Chaos Sorceror's effect.
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I know BLS is multi-trigger effect monster, making it a spell speed 2, as is Chaos Sorcerer, but these effects cannot be chained directly to a summon. The only thing that can chain to a summon has to specifically read it can be chained to the summon. Torrential would have to activate in order for either effect to be used. I only know this because of the thread on Bottomless Trap Hole vs BLS-EOTB.
 
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roadhouse007 said:
My question is would the effect of Mobius still destroy the other 2 M/T cards because it was tribute summoned successfully, or does the spell speed of the effect cause the effect to fizzle?
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First, there is no 'fizzle' in the game. An effect would resolve without effect or not be a legal activation. But it doesn't fizzle.

Second, Torrential Tribute requires that a monster be successfully summoned in order to be activated. Therefore, the effect of Mobius the Frost Monarch would still resolve because it was successfully activated.

I know from a post I saw last week that being the turn player, player B can use priority to use Chaos Sorcerer remove from play effect on Sangan in chain to opponents trap. My question is after this is declared and player A has a chance to respond and doesn't, can Player B then use the BLS-EOTB to remove the face down monster as well?
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Since Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning isn't a Spell Speed 2 effect, it could not chain to the effect of Chaos Sorcerer (or Torrential Tribute had the opponent activated it, but in this case didn't making it a moot point).

I appreciate all replys, but would like the official UDE ruling if anyone can help me.
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Such rulings are rare since these are based on mechanics. Granted, such things change as often as Texas weather, but they are trying to stabilize them. If you have access to the Judge's List, you can post there for an "informed ruling", but if it doesn't exist on the UDE web page, then it's never going to be considered an "official ruling".
 
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Ooooooh..you're gonna get it now!...You made bishop mention UDE AND the Judge's List in the same sentence!....oooooooh



[bishop edit: Now, now. Don't scare him away like that! You'll start givin' me a complex again. ;)]

[edit]..aaaarrrrgggh!!!...I've been hacked! Oh the abuse of power!..for shame!!! for shame!!!
 
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LOL. Administrator abuse! Administrator abuse! LOL Well he is the Thief of Always, after all. :D

Roadhouse, you may want to double check the threads your refering to, as I seriously doubt it was ever stated in this forum that Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning or Chaos Sorcerer have multi-trigger effects. Multi-trigger effects on a monster will state that they can be used on your opponents turn. Click these for some examples:A-Team: Trap Disposal Unit, Maryokutai, Strike Ninja, Injection Fairy Lily, Kuriboh, Dark Paladin, Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV8.

Similar to what Bishop stated, more often that not the outcome of certain chains or scenarios will not have a specified ruling. You have to go by established game mechanics and extrapolate from there.

But in this case,
First :
Player A has 3 face down M/T and a "Sangan" face up on the field.
Player B is the turn player and tributes his face down monster to summon "Mobius the Frost Monarch" to the field.
The summon happens and player B declares to destroy the M/T in zones 1 and 3. Player A declares to chain "Torrential Tribute" after the monster is summoned, which sits in his 2nd M/T zone.
My question is would the effect of Mobius still destroy the other 2 M/T cards because it was tribute summoned successfully, or does the spell speed of the effect cause the effect to fizzle?
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I assume you meant "1 through 3", not "1 and 3" making a total of three Spell/Trap cards on the field.

Player A chains to the effect of Mobius not the summon. Spell Speeds only determine what an effect can be chained to. They have nothing to do with whether an effect resolves or not (unless the effect involves negation.) Mobius' effect is already on the chain. The effect stands seperate from the monster (unless stated otherwise) and resolves as normal after Torrential resolves. These basic game mechanics are covered in the rulebook.

Next :
Player A has one monster face down and a face up defence "Sangan" on the field. He also has one M/T set.
Player B has a BLS-EOTB on the field, and declares to summon a "Chaos Sorcerer". Chaos Sorcerer is summoned and player A chains "Torrential Tribute".
I know from a post I saw last week that being the turn player, player B can use priority to use Chaos Sorcerer remove from play effect on Sangan in chain to opponents trap. My question is after this is declared and player A has a chance to respond and doesn't, can Player B then use the BLS-EOTB to remove the face down monster as well?
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As I said before the controler of Chaos Sorcerer has the priority to activate this effect. And it is no way a multi-trigger effect. Chaos Sorcerer and BLS would both be step one of the chain (provided the turn player used his priority) and Torrential Tribute would be step two. Just like in the above example, Torrential would resolve first and then BLS's or CS's effect would resolve. Niether monster has to remian on the field once it's effect is activated.
 
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Digital Jedi said:
But in this case, I assume you meant "1 through 3", not "1 and 3" making a total of three Spell/Trap cards on the field.
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I think he spoke correctly here...lol.

How many Spell/Trap cards does "Mobius" target? ;) There are 3 Spell/Trap cards set...1,2, and 3.

When "Mobius" is summoned, the controller targets cards 1 and 3, not targetting card 2.
 
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Ah, well, I thought he was refering to the number of Spell/Traps he had on the field and not how many were being selected for Mobius' effect. My mistake. Need sleep.
 
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Digital Jedi said:
Ah, well, I thought he was refering to the number of Spell/Traps he had on the field and not how many were being selected for Mobius' effect. My mistake. Need sleep.
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Sleep is good for the soul. :)

Counting Sheep Tokens should help you out.
 
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